DarkwolfX37

Myriad Reality

Oh gods Mania has one of the worst levels from the first three games in it.

Myriad Reality

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They added the drop-dash. Personally, what I'm hoping for is for Sega to separate the 2D and 3D lines so they can add a new mechanic every game or so in the 2D games and keep that genre going, while they can do whatever they feel works in the 3D line, be it Boost or some other mechanic (personally, I'd love a new SA1-esque overworld).

@Etcetera

GOOD.
And yes, exactly. Forces has the chance to fix the canon lines but even that's gonna take some fuckery since Generations didn't use Nega and he's the only one other than Blaze to travel both time and dimensions, and if they do what they should and literally make 2d a 2d dimension that was only 3d at all in the 3d dimension then they can set things up really well. Though overworlds have been the bane of every game since A1 that had them. 06, Unleashed... Hell the version of Unleashed with an overworld isn't worth playing even though Unleashed is a good game.

Myriad Reality

@DarkwolfX37

You run into the issue that this team probably wouldn't be making anything if Mania hadn't been conceived. One thing I think we can agree with is that this group has a ton of talent, but that is because they were hand picked for their ability to specifically make 2D Genesis-era Sonic games. They don't make 3D ones because that's not their forte. And while there definitely are great 3D Sonic games, the 2D formula with "outdated graphics" works because it's not a matter of timeframe, but rather a genre in and of itself.

@Etcetera

Yeah.
It's not even that the graphics are outdated. It's that there's no gameplay additions. There's no new factor, like the first three games did with the new shields and adding knuckles. The updated sprites is something great and amazing, and moreso when you know how hard they are to make. If they added a new core mechanic, not counting the bonus emerald stages, then at least that would be progress for the formula. Generally being formulaic is an inherently bad thing and there's a reason for that.

Myriad Reality

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I thought you hated 2D Sonic?

@Etcetera

I don't hate it. I have a complicated relationship with it. Similar in that way to Arin, but a totally different kind. The 3d games were brilliant for their time, I just don't like that people want to throw out everything after, even the few amazing games (which always end up getting the worst reception for some reason, not counting 06) and want to go back to games that were very clearly products of their era and not "timeless" in the sense that they can just keep being remade. I also really don't like the idea of trying to mix 2d and 3d Sonics, ESPECiALLY the way Generations did it, and don't like how many times they've re-released the same fucking things over and over again to cash in on the crowd of morons who think anything after 3 is bad just because it's not a fucking Genesis game. I don't like that Mania is reusing levels from the old games, but from what I've seen so far, there's a very real possibility that they made it plot relevant, which is the only way they could possibly justify that shit, and they clearly made them from the ground up, changing them at least slightly each time. I like the barely 3d emerald game, though I dislike that there's a medal system with the old terrible orbs minigame. I'm incredibly worried that they did something with the plot changing based on medals, and I'm worried that they might have tried too hard and done to the Super Emeralds what Generations did to the canons. (I do not know if the Super Emeralds are actually in Mania, so that's not a spoiler to mention.) I hate that the best games always get the worst feedback from the "fans," and the good or decent games always get held up to a perfect standard of "what 3d Sonic should be" when they're NOT among the best of them and/or half of them are just 2d with 3d models *cough colors cough*. I don't like that they're making Mania be directly after 3, not counting CD's ambiguous placement, because that just makes the canon lines even more blurred and confusing. The reason I want Mania so badly is BECAUSE I'm so distrustful of it. Having been writing Torn, basically Sonic fanfiction, for at this point the vast majority of my lifespan, I'm one of the few people who the timelines and canon lines really matter to, and Mania has this perfect opportunity to either destroy them entirely or make them fit again after Generations fucked everything up. I don't think GG are going to do the plot justice since it's fucking Arin playing, and unlike the first 3 games the plot is complicated enough to need hands-on experience for. I also dislike that they chose to make a 2d game that's just a better resolution version of a game that belongs on the Genesis when they could have been working on a new, bugless, good 3d game or another fucking Sonic Chronicle game, or A FUCKING SONIC BATTLE 2, or remastering the last two Riders games since they banked them on shitty tech that ruins the games when Riders was one of the best racing games ever, or fucking making Sonic's Sister 1X years after it was cancelled, or any other new things they could do to move forward, rather than just a new Sonic 3 bumped up and given a plot fitting of a newer game. There are just so many missed opportunities that they didn't do in order to appease the people who only like Sonic because their nostalgia is overwhelming or because they really want mario but just don't think mario maker is fast enough. I'm super psyched about the new resolution sprites as someone who used to do sprites (poorly) and probably will go back to the Middle Ground at some point, but the fact that they were made by an official team is bothersome. There's a lot of complicated shit between me and 2d Sonic, especially Mania.

Myriad Reality

@DarkwolfX37

Here: pcpartpicker.com/list/gWWvJV

If you feel comfortable with changing some settings to ensure that everything goes on the HDD properly, we can add a cheap SSD and reduce your boot times quite a bit. You can also get a 1080ti instead if you want to spend an extra $200. The regular 1080 will already max out everything you can throw at it, but just if you wanted to flip off every game you play for the near future for some reason, you can do that.

Also, ensure the case dimensions match your desk.

@Etcetera

Yeah, double HD is good. Already went through that stuff on my old laptop, current but unusable one, and my friend's for him, so it shouldn't be too hard.

Myriad Reality

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SPOILERS. YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE MY HYPE SHOOT TO ELEVEN BY SPOILING A GAME IN MY TOP TEN BEING IN ANOTHER GAME THAT WILL LIKELY BE IN MY TOP TEN. I NEED TO REACT TO ORGANICALLY IN A VIDEO.

@Etcetera

I'm absolutely going to spoil things that add to the hype. Also if you have the spare you should buy me a copy cause I'm broke af not counting what I'm saving for the comp.

Myriad Reality

Mania makes you fucking play Mean Bean Machine as the boss of Chemical Plant. That earns some points.

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Also, this will be useful in the near future.

@Etcetera

If it's not inherently obvious to you how to weaponize something like that, then you are not going to do very well in fights.

Myriad Reality

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>Implying that President Trump is Jewish at all
>Implying that drumpf hasn't been shoehorned as some sort of insult by the left

@Etcetera

What? No, JOHN is jewish. And what other people do is irrelevant.

Myriad Reality

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>Using drumpf unironically

@Legend

That was literally his family name before they moved to america and he bitched about John Stewart not using his jewish family name so yeah, it's not ironic because drumpf was serious when he tried ti libel John.