Dedonus

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No deus ex Icon-ica, please.

@EnterTheHero

apo Eikonos theos would be the correct term. ;)

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Dedoneus might've been referring to the wrong person. I've done that before. XD

@Fallenreaper

This is correct

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Well, I made Gabriel's character sheet literally just over a week ago. So I've been trying to play a lot of catch up on recent events.

@EnterTheHero

Sorry, I make a mistake. I need to tag @FacePunch. Please PM me @FacePunch so we can talk about Ares and Polemos! I am so sorry @EnterTheHero! It is obvious that I'm the crazy one! :D

I feel very dumb right now. :(

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I didn't realize Polemos was part of this party. Icarus was just about to go after Maverick as she tries to pull off her heist and be all, "Oh! You're made of metal! That's adorable~" *flings into stratosphere*

...After that, I'm really not sure where it's gonna go.

@EnterTheHero

Not rude at all! I wasn't talking about Icarus/Maverick. I'm talking about how Ares sent Icon to China and this post. It has been a month or so, it is understandable for forgetting about some of this stuff. :D

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And I have little idea of how the parts of speech actually WORK in English. I mean, I use decent grammar, but lolwhatsapredicate.

@RomanAria

Don't worry. I wouldn't know what a predicate is if I had not taken Latin (and Greek). :D

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@Dedonus So in all of those you would almost have an implied "esse"...
I will paint the house (to be) purple.
The roman people elected our friend (to be) consul.
The Romans considered Romulus (to be) a god.
I don't know why but it makes me think kind of like an indirect statement... The infinitive and all the accusatives.

@RomanAria

Yes. It is kind of like an indirect statement. The problem is that in Latin 101, we haven't taught them about indirect statements yet. :D

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@EnterTheHero Hey, send me a pm about what we are going to be doing about the whole Polemus confrontation. I just need one post to get Arachne in place.

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I'll try to get something up as soon as possible. Promise! :D

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@Keyguyperson Oh, key, it's not quite that bad.
But wait, @Dedonus I'm not entirely sure that I get it? Why is "house" accusative? Is it because it's like the object of an implied preposition or something? I'd almost think it would be dative to be the direct object...

@RomanAria

The first thing we have to address is that doceo is more of an exception. Usually, when you have a verb of showing, telling, or giving, you have an accusative direct object and a dative indirect object.

-I give the ball (accusative) to you (dative).
-I told the secret (accusative) to you (dative).
-I will show the house (accusative) to you (dative).
-etc.

For doceo, instead of a dative indirect object, as you would expect, you get a second accusative.

-I taught the grammar of Latin (accusative) to you (accusative) (or I taught you the grammar of Latin).

Now to get back to the factitive sentence pattern. Doceo is usually brought up because it is an example of a double accusative that is NOT a factitive sentence. How I see factitive sentences are like active linking sentences (if that makes any sense).

-I will paint the house (accusative) purple (accusative). FACTITIVE
-The house (nominative) is purple (nominative). LINKING

-The Roman people elected our friend (accusative) Consul (accusative). FACTITIVE
-Our friend(nominative) is a Consul (nominative). LINKING

-The Romans considered Romulus (accusative) a god (accusative). FACTITIVE
-The Romulus (nominative) is a god (nominative). LINKING

Linking verbs are like equal signs (=). They establish the relationship between two nouns (or a noun and an adjective) and show that they are "equal". In a linking sentence, these two nouns (or adjective) must both be in the nominative case (kind of like noun-adjective agreement).

Just like in linking verbs, factitive sentences also establish a relationship between two nouns (or adjective). However, there is a third party that is making this connection. Since all these nouns that form a factitive sentence take an accusative object, the complement (i.e. purple, Consul, god) must also be in the same case (the accusative). Therefore, in the example sentences above, both the factitive and linking sentences are giving the same information. The factitive just gives MORE information (i.e. who made the accusative the way it is).

Does that help?

Edit: One of the biggest problems I see in teaching Latin is that, even though most of my students are native English speakers, some people don't know English grammar very well. I'm not saying this about you, but one problem is that how we usually teach Latin is that we kind of assume that our students have a basic understanding of English grammar (direct objects, indirect objects, active and passive voice, et cetera). Honestly, I feel that Latin (and Greek) actually helps with understanding English grammar because you have to look at way things are and not just accept that things are because it feels natural.

For instance, my junior year in high school (even though I went to a pretty well-off school, grammar was basically an afterthought in the majority of my English classes), I did not fully understand when to use the correct relative pronoun (who, whom, whose, et cetera), but when we went over relative pronouns in Latin, it made a whole lot more sense because of noun-adjective agreement. The relative pronoun (in Latin) must match its antecedent (I usually have to explain this too) in gender and number, but its case (i.e. usage) is determined by its role in the relative clause. Through learning Latin, I understand that you use whom when it is the direct object, whose when its a possessive pronoun, and who when its the subject.

Edit2: Sorry for derailing the thread. Latin (and Greek, in my case) nerds just nerding out here. Move along. Nothing to see here. :D

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@Dedonus O_O I'm so very confused already. "factitive sentence"?

@RomanAria

A factitive sentence is like a linking sentence, but without a form of "sum". It is basically stating a fact (as the name hints at). For example, "I will paint the house purple" is a factitive sentence, as it establishes that the house = purple, but there is an active action in it (I will paint), as compared to a linking sentence, like "The house is purple". In the first sentence, both "house" and "purple" would be in the accusative, while "The house is purple" has two nominative nouns.

"We will teach [something] to someone" is not a factitive because "something" does not equal "someone".

Does that make more sense, or am I just spewing out more jargon?

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@RomanAria Just looked up doceo and it looks like it takes a double accusative construction (i.e. We teach (something in the accusative) to (someone in the accusative). I should have realized this sooner because this is one of the exceptions to the double accusative construction being a factitive sentence.

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