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Myriad Reality

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Hekrom:
Mind reading is. However, without her detecting it is the issue...

@souleaterfan320

Can she do that?

Myriad Reality

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Hekrom: ... if only there was a way to extract the information from her brain with her knowing... like reading someone's mind...

@souleaterfan320

I don't think that's possible, is it?

Myriad Reality

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Hekrom: shifts a bit, seemingly uncomfortable, then speaks up*
But um, yeah, about baphumet. I had a direct encounter with her. She held the advantage and very well couldve killed me as she so pleased... but she didnt. She hesitated. Shortly after, i was sent to some random planet owth an island, in which we conversed, well, sort of. It was me doing all the talking, she merely nodded or shook her head. However, she didnt give way anything she had planned. Shortly after that, she dissapeared, leaving me stranded. Although, she did seem, well, not so much disinterested with me, but worried. About something. And i just cant seem to figure out what..

*ponders the room, thinking*

If only...

@souleaterfan320

If only... what?

Myriad Reality

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*soon after the message goes thriugh, I appear, and look around*

Hmm... nice place.
*looks to you, and my jaw metaphorically drops*

...wow. you are absolutely stunning. Nice to meet you, Mia.

*extends my hand for a handshake, holding a warm, comforting smile*

@souleaterfan320

*Smiles awkwardly and shakes your hand*
My pleasure, Hekrom.

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Hekrom: *picks up the phone, noticing the text. I then look over to the restaurant, seeing the green haired girl there. Suddenly, a bird of sortsands on my shoulders. The bird itself squaks rather robotically, then flys away, perching on the entry sign of the restaraunt, looking at the green haired girl.*

*texts back*

Alright, ill be there briefly. Also, um, coordinates?

@souleaterfan320

*Has Aphrodite send them*

Myriad Reality

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*Turns from the phone as Ma'at mocks me* That's perfectly fine, dear.

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*Turns back and sighs exaggeratedly* That was a plethora of bad decisions.

@Disdain

*Quietly*
Okay...
*Texts Hekrom*

Myriad Reality

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Ma'at. Oh my goodness.

@Disdain

*In a hushed tone*
Um... Hekrom was wondering if he could come...

Myriad Reality

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The Adventure games WEREN'T quality games. They had quality levels.
Noooo way. And Knuckles is horrid if you compare it to some of the fan games out there. The best part about it was the Hyper Emeralds and even then the game doesn't hold any better than most fan games.
4, Rush, Rush Adventure, Rivals, Rivals 2... They've already re-released the first X games twenty times for every system available, they don't need to rehash them again in Mania when they could be going forward. Literally the only excuse is that it seems to be plot-sensitive instead of just "oh we're going back here cause nostalgia!"
There WERE distinct lines of canon until Generations fucked it up by trying to cross them, that's the point.
The slowest gameplay have you PLAYED 2? The first three thousand hours are slow as fuck until you memorize speed run strats. They would be better off making a new Chronicles game than revisiting the first three games over and over. At least then the game worlds would expand some.
WHY THE FUCK IS FORCES MELTING 2D INTO A 3D GAME AGAIN THERE IS NO EXCUSE THEY'VE ALREADY PLACATED THE PEOPLE ONLY INTERESTED IN SPEEDRUNNING MARIO WITH MANIA

@DarkwolfX37

The only terrible part of Adventure was the voice acting/modeling. I even love the overworld of Adventure 1.
"Most" fan games is a stretch. There are a ton and only a few high quality ones. We may have to just chalk this up to opinion because S3&K is pretty beloved by many people (even disregarding nostalgia) whereas the fan games aren't to that extent.
No, I agree, it's absolutely nostalgia. Mania is designed as a tribute game to reopen the world of 2D Genesis-Era Sonic. A Sonic Genesis Remix +, if you will. And according to reviews, the remixed levels is one of the only complaints about the game.
I'm not disagreeing with you? Forces is retconning Generations anyway by making the games separate dimensions instead of separate timelines anyway.
Have you played 2? Emerald Hill, Chemical Plant, Oil Ocean, Casino Night, Hilltop? Those are all fast stages right off the top of my head. You have stages like Metropolis and Aquatic Ruin that are a bit slower than the others and maybe Hilltop if you want to count that. They're all medium to high speed, though. Mystic Cave is pretty much the only "slow" stage in Sonic 2 unless you want the little segment where you ride on Tails' plane.
I agree that it's probably not the best route going forward, but you're also downplaying the Genesis-era fanbase. It's a lot larger than you seem to think, and probably the majority of players.

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Pretty sure Mania was originally a fan game they made canon, so that would give you literally no standing ground, and Arin says lots of shit about Sonic, including that he likes Unleashed even though he's playing the wii version. Tight controls on a 2d sonic game aren't something new, the Advance games had really good controls. And Mania 2? The idea that they're already planning a sequel speaks against it's quality and in favor of it being a nostalgia cash grab. Yeah the orbs might have been the best of the originals but why is it not something new and BETTER than those three horrible minigames? It's revered more because people have nostalgia for it and most 3d games were either buggy or never given a full chance because people just wanted more 2d games. The best 2d sonic games are fan made or not sonic games. Generations shouldn't have happened because it ruined so many things to the different lines of canon and really just rehashed older games, like Mania is doing at least in part. I don't like 2d Sonic when it isn't able to stand on it's own, which it hasn't been able to since Advance 2, and THAT had such cheaply done spritework that if you weren't speedrunning it would become noticeable and distracting. Sonic 4's biggest problem was that it was in two parts.

@DarkwolfX37

Your facts are incorrect. It was built from the ground up by a team comprised of people who originally made fan games and were really good at it.
Advance games are super mediocre.
Mania 2 is what everyone is asking for and not confirmed. But everything in business is a cash grab; that's how it works. And that's fine, because Mania 2 is as much a cash grab as Sonic 2 was. If you have something that works, make more.
I enjoyed the orbs. But they did do something new and better; that's why you have the emerald race now. The orbs are just for bonus points and whatever those medals are.
3D games were very buggy, but it's not that they weren't given a chance. People love the Sonic Adventure games because they're quality games. But then Sega started putting stupid time caps on Sonic games and ruined them with low quality, rushed products. It's not to say that they can't—Generations and Colors we're both great games (although in a way used 2D as a crutch), so it proves they can do it. But with modern 3D games, they just end up with Boost gameplay, which is getting to the point of becoming boost to win.
Eh, S3&K is better than almost all fan games. You have a point, but that highlights how fans are so sick of Sega not doing their job, they're willing to do it for them. Some of the best 3D Sonic games are fanmade too, so that says something more about fans than the inherent quality of the games.
The Sonic canon has never been consistent. It doesn't need to be; just have distinct lines of canon (or none outside of each individual game if it's that hard).
They haven't even done standalone 2D since the Advance games, unless you count Colors DS, which was also fantastic—it's 3D games that rely on 2D for bonus points and not the other way around. There's also a reason for that—Boost has you going so fast they literally cannot model a full 10 hour game in any reasonable time period; that's why Forces is doing the same thing (which I agree is kind of annoying since 2D Sonic and 3D Sonic don't mesh that well, in gameplay or as characters). My problem with the Advance games is how much looser the controls are compared to the Genesis games.
Sonic 4 was trash, no argument there for 2D. Mania's erasing that from the continuation of the main line to become the true sequel to S3&K anyway. S4 has no controls to speak of and the slowest gameplay.