Lewascan2

Grimoiric Heart

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Come to think of it, would it even be obvious to most that Wilhelmina is an Alter, given her cheery theme and overall positivity? Or is this something that Magical Girls can sense about each other?

@Villamvihar

Mostly, I'm assuming the fact that her tale is an Alter would come up in conversation in the rumor mill at some point, since Wilhelmina is fairly open and such. Do correct me if not, but I felt it was a safe bet that after a year, the fact that she's an Alter would have drifted around. There's also the fact that she stands out in her own way even more for how she has a better ending to her legend instead of a worse/twisted one. But again, I'm merely speculating. Do slap me with your own head-canon if you have a specific rep you want her to have cultivated, and I will adjust appropriately.

Grimoiric Heart

Journey to the West may have been a rough choice. It's hard to sound enlightened when you yourself... aren't :P

@McFazzer

Heck yeah, welcome back to the party. Been a while since that first post, huh? Things sure got busy after that!
Also, is it just me, or is Dynasty Queen's Grimoire "mental pollution" rather sinisterly strong, especially given this line (and others besides that were sprinkled about)?

“Well I don’t die at the end of my legend... and I actually succeed at the quest!”

Is that just a slip of the tongue, or are we looking at some Monkey King persona sneaking in shenanigans? Because that's definitely the takeaway Camelot would have if these sorts of things slip into her dialogue often. She definitely comes across as someone who believes they may be the Monkey King reborn.

I guess what I'm actually asking is how much of that sort of talk does she casually slip into her dialogue (whether she believes it or not). I'm working on my next post, and given that Dynasty Queen just directly engaged in conversation with Camelot, you better believe she's getting an introductory segment of paragraphs dedicated to establishing Camelot's current thought process regarding her.

Grimoiric Heart

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And now I am imagining Roma stuffing Wilhelmina into various cosplays.

It is adorably hilarious.

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Wilhelmina will want to get to know everyone! Currently, she is only aware of Lumiére, Lilac and possibly Camelot. So there are some introductions to go around definitely. And I am up for whatever extremely awkward shenanigans @Ponn has in mind for Olivia, because I genuinely want to see how that goes.

@Villamvihar

Roma is going to derail absolutely everything, and I am here for it.

Honestly, Camelot is almost chronically incapable of not standing out... to her own chagrin. Between the distinctive conservatively dressed/armored state of her Magical Girl form and the sword that seems like it identifies as a sun in her hand, she has a fairly hard time doing anything even approaching low-key on the job. So, with a year at Marrywell (and the fact that she's an Alter, and thus someone Camelot would actively approach at some point in base form) under her belt, I'd say Wilhelmina would have a fairly good grasp of Camelot's weirdly bipolar character, where she is normally fairly distant except with Alters and the people she protects.

If this were set in Japan she would be trying to round everyone up to form an idol group that uses actual magic to outshine all competitors. She’ll have to settle for cosplay and dreaming of Akihabara

@Lonewolf685

Ah yes, Camelot can be the one whose face always looks dead inside and yet is somehow popular for it... to her irritation.

Grimoiric Heart

It’s going to be adorable when Camelot discovers Roma’s love is cosplay as she’s stuffed into a Saber Alter dress and has to sit through hours of make up. Fufufu.

@Lonewolf685

You diabolical fiend! Back! Back, I say! Approach one step closer, and I shall "Ni!" you again!
*Knights of Ni intensify*

Grimoiric Heart

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OOC Reason (and one that's most important on a meta level):
-Because playing a Saitama/Ainz/Superman in play-by-post roleplay isn't fun for anyone, including myself.

IC Reason(s):
-We have established that Mythic grimoires aren't hilariously overpowered compared to the lower tiers. A single mythic can be overwhelmed by, let's say, 3 Legends (or 6 Fables) if the group knows what they're doing. Wendil can CMIIW me on this though.

-In Lumi's CS, it's hinted that Sefirot is pretty much the one inducing the god complex as it embodies the concept of angels as a whole, not just the nice, polite messenger-types, but the good yet harsh warrior types too. Being selfless beings devoted to a singular purpose (protecting humanity from the Pageless), Sefirot accepts that some sacrifices to preserve the greater whole is inevitable and that sometimes violence is the best course of action.

-Related to the previous point of angels being selfless, on the flipside, there's also Lucifer/Satan and his loyalists, which some people forget they're angels too and the Grimoire embodies all angels. How this fact relates to Lumiere remains to be seen...

@Izurich

Absolutely understandable. I know there's ways to make it work, but it's definitely a character that could more often than not be more trouble than they were worth in order to write a compelling story.

I'd imagine so. Powerful or not, Magical Girls practically specialize in overcoming far superior opponents with the Power of Friendship. Get a group of them together, and they can and will pull miracles out of their asses, no matter the odds.

Guess that was just my misreading on the god complex bit. It's been a hot minute since I actually reviewed Lumiere's CS, so that's my bad.

Iiiiiinnteresting.

Grimoiric Heart

“Sometimes, you can’t save everyone, so in those circumstances, save who matters the most.” I think is a lesson that Lumiere has embraced, but Camelot balks at. Which does make sense since it’s a pragmatic way of handling the topic of saviors. Lumi used to be like Cammie too, long ago, until she learned that sometimes, trying to save two people instead of one results in both of them dying.

Camelot has that Emiya Shirou syndrome.

@Izurich

Huh, seems like she just might at that!
This is most certainly a view of the world that Camelot will stubbornly oppose to the end. She respects Lumiere's power and experience, but Camelot thinks that the angel has lost touch with humanity over the century, that she's effectively a relic of another time's standards, who hasn't ever been forced to adjust or better herself due to being... well, an angel. Due to Camelot's internal struggles with her own Grimoire, it occurs to her that it would be fairly easy to lose yourself to all the glamor and glory (and self-righteousness) if you got one without already possessing a certain amount of powerful self-identity.

Yep, that’s how her god complex slowly but gradually develops over the decades. >:3

@Izurich

I might just be spit-balling here, but what if... the reason her powers aren't quite as hilariously over-the-top impressive as one might initially expect from a Mythic Grimoire is because said semi-sentient Grimoire isn't very happy about said budding god complex...? Hmmm.....

Questions for later.

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Are you already causing chaos, Roma.

@TheWendil

Seems she is.

Imagine Camelot siding with Merlin.

@TheWendil

Indeed, imagine that...

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Ah yes, but by what metric do we judge those worth saving? Lumi is content to use her powers only against the pageless while Camelot broadens her horizons. If she flies over two muggings that end in fatal injuries just to save one person from a pageless, then her standards of justice contribute a greater evil born from inaction :3

@Lonewolf685

Oddly enough, for all her criticism of the idealistic (read: sort of recklessly irresponsible) methods the Grand Ministry uses to train Magical Girls, Camelot is in her own way even more idealistic in her pursuit of a better future. She's not naive enough to think she can save everyone, but she's stubborn enough to make the attempt when given even the slightest chance.
Never abandon anyone. Save as many as she can, even at cost to herself.

Look at it this way. No matter how anyone falls there will be a devil and Angel waiting to steal their soul and mold them in their image. Roma just offers a better deal then “Serve Merlin till suffering horrid death by Pageless”

@Lonewolf685

I don't know about you, but one of these two deals sounds a lot more appealing than the other...

Yes, Roma’s looking forward to having Camelot Alter as a friend and accomplice. Will make it easier to clip the angel’s wings and blacken them in the pitch of humanities infinite deprivations.

@Lonewolf685

I wouldn't call it an impossibility. We certainly don't know quite yet how exactly Altered Grimoires come into being.
Do they start out that way?
Are they re-written after the fact?
Is it Pageless corruption somehow mixing in there?
Perhaps an Alter Grimoire can even be reverted to the original story, becoming a regular Grimoire.

Perhaps the GMs have this all figured out, or perhaps they're letting the players create the lore. So many fascinating possibilities...

Grimoiric Heart

I love everything about this conversation. XD

Grimoiric Heart

Honestly, this is probably Camelot's most fatal flaw. She attempts to take on far too many responsibilities at once and ends up stretching herself too thin whenever a new unexpected one pops up (as demonstrated in her first IC fight). This is the double-edged sword to her desire to help as many people as possible. She's going to have to get used to truly relying on the strength of other people for a change.
As far as Lumiere... paranoia towards one of the Grand Ministry's most prolific agents is such a wonderful thing.

Grimoiric Heart

Huh. Good to know. I shall account for that IC going forward.

Looks like Camelot has even more priorities on her plate. XD

Grimoiric Heart

Everyone forgot this is Suzuya's first time in London and doesn't know any English.

@TheWendil

Hol' up. Seriously? It seemed very implied in her posts (with the dialogue with Lilac Shimmer) that she did.
I guess there was just a misunderstanding, and she was speaking in Japanese that whole time? I'll have to reread.
If so, it's sure lucky Camelot speaks Japanese then (as noted in her trivia)! Otherwise things would have been very awkward! XD