Lord Wraith

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Like I said, I found it to be an enjoyable film. So I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on it.

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Honestly I went in with the mind set I was watching a Fast and the Furious movie and I was not disappointed. It's a popcorn flick through and through starring characters who resemble Batman and Superman.

Maybe one day we'll get them right.

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@Lord Wraith

More BvS spoilers, still.

Just because Superman was equally poorly characterised doesn't excuse the fact that Batman was too. If anything, it speaks to how badly Snyder and the writers misinterpreted what people like about Superman and Batman. I wasn't a huge fan of Man of Steel but it struck me as a "serious" (or "realistic) interpretation of Superman, not a particularly grim of dystopian one, whereas I feel like Snyder has flitted away from serious towards grim to excuse making a "Dark Knight Returns"-esque film. The problem being for me that it's not enough to simply say: "Hey! Batman are Superman are dicks now because... bad things happen!" You have to actually convince me that these bad things happening would make Bruce depart from the man he was. Does a poorly-written two minute conversation with Alfred and a shot of a Robin costume convince me Batman would suddenly start killing? No. If Jason and Barbara didn't send Bruce off the edge in the comics, you're going to have a Herculean task to convince me that anything would.

@Morden Man

Hider

The thing is though I don't see Batfleck as a straight up murderer. He's not actively killing, in fact most of the deaths caused by him could be argued as manslaughter. The guy with the grenade dropped it while it was live. The guy with the flamethrower could have not pulled the trigger. The only one instance to me that sticks out as straight up murder was when Bruce crashed the Dodge Challenger and then dragged it around for five minutes but even then you could argue some poor sap is alive in there, albeit it in critical condition. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not happy Bruce is as brutal as he is, in fact I would have preferred a young Bruce where these accidents weighed in his conscious but alas Snyder didn't go that route.

On a separate note the most jarring error to me is the opening scene when Bruce is in Metropolis. He's driving a Jeep Renegade, a model only first released in 2015. It wouldn't have existed in 2013. So that was lazy product placement. If you were watching for it, almost every car was a Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep or some kind.

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Early birthday present for myself: Lego Marvels Avengers.

I am not disappoint.

Though I m ay have annoyed Morden with it xD

@Sep

I was playing that a bit ago and I honestly believe Lego Marvel Superheroes is the superior game. But I mean it's fun nonetheless so long as you enjoy Lego games. The audio bothers me though since they just used voice clips from the movies for the most part.

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As the resident Batman player I may regret admitting this but...

I loathe Adam West and his Batman. I purposely exclude everything to do with him from my personal collection because that is not Batman to me.

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@Lord Wraith I'll err on the side of caution and put this in spoilers:

Even more BvS spoilers!

Neither Keaton nor Bale took anywhere near as much glee in breaking the rules as Dawn of Justice's Batman. Branding people? Branding people? There's literally nothing less Batman than that. Affleck's Batman is cruel and sadistic, he searches Clark out to combat him without so much as conducting a proper conversation with him, and he seems to enjoy brutalising people in a way other interpretations have not up to this point. I felt like I was watching Rorschach or Deathstroke instead of Batman.

@Morden Man

Hider

If we were dealing with a young Batman who hadn't been under the cowl for twenty years and lost Robin and somehow the Manor I'd be inclined to agree with you. But the fact that we're dealing with Frank Miller's "He'll walk again but he'll remember" Dark Knight it doesn't phase me. He's cruel, he's brutal and he's angry. Note that even after Wonder Woman crosses him he doesn't do the same. Plus I'd argue Superman is just as guilty since he made it a personal vendetta to take down the Bat. What we watched was two very stubborn men who are the most powerful beings in their lives decide to butt heads. Superman literally comes to Gotham to tell Bruce to pack it in because Bruce's brand (heh) of Justice doesn't align with his own. But Superman is hardly better since he dances around international issues and meddles in foreign affairs like they're open debates. He doesn't use tact at all.

So while I agree Batman is more brutal and almost sadistic, I think I understand Snyder's vision and reasoning behind it. Furthermore his Superman was pretty dark from the get go so you have to make Batman really dark in order to properly contrast the two.

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@Lord Wraith how dare you have a different opinion than other people!

I actually hear (spoiler free) that Afflecks portrayal of Batman is one of the best, if not the best. Would you like to comment on these rumours sir?

@Sep

Honestly I'd say Batfleck is one of the best Batman we've seen on the big screen. Still lacking in the department of World's Greatest Detective but otherwise it looked and felt like Batman.

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Have to say though I don't really agree with some of the above spoilers or how much people are arguing that Batman does break the rules. Keaton and Bale both do the same over the course of their movies and nobody batted an eye.

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Just got back from BvS and I'm going to go against the flow and give it a thumbs up. It's not a brilliant movie or another Dark Knight but I definitely found it to be an enjoyable movie. Could have been paced better and there's a few other issues but overall I enjoyed it.

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Looking forward to seeing who you put forth.

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Hmmmmm....

@HenryJonesJr

He has appeared!