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Myriad Reality

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Ascension levels, spark powers, and Living Gods are not part of Existence. They are part of this CYOA, which can only fit in Existence insofar as it does not encroach on Existence.

Why would it be foolish to limit a god outside of the realm of his control?

@whizzball1

I'd argue that they are part of Existence in the context of a particular dimension.

Myriad Reality

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Because they've reached a point beyond that scheme? And his Verse again doesn't exist within Existence but the Outside, a place that even in the CYOA is identical to the concept you present here.

The reason it can't fit within is because, well if we're being honest it wasn't made to, and because the entire focus of a Living God is above Existences, Verses, etc.

@Caldizar

But what have you used to determine that he's beyond that scheme? It seems like the only thing that would appear to be an issue is the idea of omnipotence, which is easily relegated to contextual in a dimension or cluster. I'm just struggling to see the incongruity with Existence as a system.

Myriad Reality

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Because at ascension they literally transcend all universes, multiverses, and omniverses. They have power over the thing that's above all that, the Verse, and if you read some of the abilities you can have in the CYOA, you'll see that they can go so far as to make their own Verses. Like I said, the Verse is Existence using different terminology, because the person who wrote it all essentially has the same structure for things, cosmologically speaking, that you do here. Just with deviations.

@Caldizar

My issue is that all of that works perfectly within the context of the Russian doll that is Existence. Why doesn't that all, included omnipotence, fit within the context of their greater dimension or cluster?

Myriad Reality

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Because a Living God is, again, beyond that by their very being. I mean reading through the CYOA itself and the lore it's author made on the structure of the Verse should make this quite apparent. The only times in which it seemingly differs is when you have a Master God in charge of a Verse, in which case I assume the Living God is equal in power, thus resulting in a stalemate. But Anarchic builds don't have those since they prioritize player interaction.

And yes, it is illogical to assume that because a Living God exists Existence would have been erased. If we assume it's literally just Zachary, well the question then becomes why would he destroy Existence? He's done nothing but avoid having to use his powers, and even in the times he does I've not envisioned them being massively destructive changes. The only large-scale manipulation I have in mind, as a matter of fact, was that he used that Subtle ability to erase all traces of his existence from his home Verse.

@Caldizar

The disconnect for me is that I don't understand how the lore ends up overwriting the structure of MR. If a being is canonically multiversal, then they belong to a cluster, where there's already a multiverse. And beyond that is the broader multiverse that is Existence. And if a being is a god in their universe, then they have complete, absolute control over that universe. But I fail to see why that necessitates them being gods over all of Existence.

Myriad Reality

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Because this CYOA literally deals with beings, Living Gods, that are well beyond omniversal in scope. Quite simply, a Living God is beyond the Verse, though the time it takes to get to the Master Spark powers, the real broken powers, varies depending on what ascension you choose at the get-go.

@Caldizar

Which is why the scheme of clusters exists. I don't see why it doesn't reasonably fit within the standard model.

Myriad Reality

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Yeah, problem there is he was made using a CYOA that goes a tad beyond those normal rules.

@Caldizar

Can you clarify why a CYOA modifies how he interacts with MR? MR is structured so that any origin idea can be fit in without modifying the source material. If there's a universe for everything, and clusters for multiverses, what use is it to go beyond that just because something is sourced from a CYOA instead of another piece of media or an OC?

Myriad Reality

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That forms a mainstream itself which just feels contradictory to the ideal.

@Heroic

Too many layers deep.

Myriad Reality

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I mean in this case you can realistically say they're aren't any other Living Gods, because mine is the only build here. Plus his own Verse is another Plane, using the terms here anyway, so the problem of how powers work is more how they translate between two separate Existences.

And don't get me wrong, I see the balance issues, but that's the thing. He's a god, gods aren't meant to be balanced. Not real gods anyway. My form of balancing though was making him human-ish via that extra option near the end of the sheet and saying he really just wants to live a normal life, though fate keeps roping him back to his Plane regardless.

@Caldizar

What I'm questioning is the point of giving him a Plane to begin with. It ends up locking him out of most interaction, and overengineers a solution to someone having godlike powers in a universe. Part of the fun is having multiple universes worth of beings who, regardless of their own strength on their original world, are thrown onto a different playing field for the new one. TL;DR, I don't really see what you want to accomplish by adding those stipulations that wouldn't be accomplished with normal dimensional rules.

I got nothing to do. :\

@Dark Cloud

There's always our favorite blue-haired misfit.

Myriad Reality

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I don’t think anyone like that is collectively identifying themselves with a group like that.

@Heroic

You haven’t met the right people.

Myriad Reality

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It is a belief and not a group.

@Heroic

"Anti-mainstreamers" is by nature a group.