B!tchfest: a healthy release for our non-roleplay annoyances.

[SleepingSilence]

To avoid writing a thousand words about how I'm literally fuming right now...

Multiple friends fucking stupidity and secrecy, that they can't seem to fucking help. Two people doing the exact same several things, they know pisses me off two fucking days in row, on repeat. Ruins my weekend and wasted my time and pissed me off. And I highly doubt it's over. FML at the very moment.

[Dolerman]

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy.

I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. Then, I brushed my teeth with that water, filtered to standards set by the EPA and my state.

After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank and printed by the Federal Bureau of Engraving and Printing.

On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.

I park my car on the street, paved and maintained by the Department of Transportation, and put quarters issued by the United States Mint into the parking meter.
Then, after spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, I drive back to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and the fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log onto the Internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on freerepublic and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right. Keep government out of my Medicare!

[Orlan]

Why will everything be slow?! I have too much time for everything!

[Rica]

My first bitching here

DONT CALL IN TWICE WITHIN ONE WEEK. TWO SATURDAYS IN A ROW DUDE. TWO. AND I HAD TO COVER BOTH.

And I was up at 5am to get ready for an opening shift here this morning too.....

I'm so tired :(

[Vilageidiotx]

My first bitching here

DONT CALL IN TWICE WITHIN ONE WEEK. TWO SATURDAYS IN A ROW DUDE. TWO. AND I HAD TO COVER BOTH.

And I was up at 5am to get ready for an opening shift here this morning too.....

I'm so tired :(

@Rica

nothing like being morning shift, being in that last hour before you leave, and then finding out evening shift called in so you have to stay the whole 13 hours.

god I'm glad I got out of the service industry

[Rica]

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nothing like being morning shift, being in that last hour before you leave, and then finding out evening shift called in so you have to stay the whole 13 hours.

god I'm glad I got out of the service industry

@Vilageidiotx

It's the absolute worst some days....

and my job isn't even that terrible. I can sit down at least. Most places don't give you that luxury.

[SleepingSilence]

After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels.

@Dynamo Frokane

Hey. Dats one my favorite channels. :D

[Dolerman]

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Hey. Dats one my favorite channels. :D

@SleepingSilence

Stefan Molynuex disapproves..

[Keyguyperson]

@Dynamo Frokane

*Vomits socialistically*

[Dolerman]

When your girlfriend has a job interview.

What you think its going to be like

What its actually going to be like.

[Inkdrop]

I've out that most of the peoblems with atomic power are overblown or have been solved long ago, but everyone is so irrationally scared of radiation and so uneducated on it that we'll just keep poisoning the planet that fostered us. Because hey, one or two big booms at badly designed plants and a waste problem which has already been solved is so much worse than a power plant that pumps out toxins and is incredibly inefficient. Yes, I know, the romanticized solar and wind are the ways of the future... but a nuke plant will keep going through cloudy weather or a still day. A windmill or solar panel can't. We need better backups than fossil fuels or there's no point.

[SleepingSilence]

@Dynamo Frokane
Aw come on, got nothing new? I'm disappointed. :c

Though I gotta admit, that post is so special, I almost want to learn about the evils of capitalism over the internet, and the most recent Micheal Moore movie coming to my local theater...

I tried really hard to ignore this...I swear...I didn't want to write this.

I literally don't think that post could get any more troll bait to someone with the littlest of knowledge...

EPA: This place has given out so many useless regulations, and has cost american tax payers a huge sum of money. Hell, I don't even think most liberals like this one because they don't 'do enough'. This is not a good standard of useful government.
fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/environme..
humanevents.com/2013/09/24/the-epas-wo..
motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2014/10/e..

“Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) — annual budget $8.5 billion: Their record of ignoring environmental damage and the health effects on humans from major events such as 9/11, the Exxon and Gulf oil spills to the worst case, Fukushima, is unparalleled. Rather than investigate and warn of real dangers, they have gone after farmers for dubious claims of water contamination, while treating milk spills as they should have treated oil spills. Even worse, the EPA has concluded that there is no law preventing it from doing “research” on Americans. A recent lawsuit over the EPA’s work with airborne pollutants will put this claim to the test in Federal court. Their illegal human experiments could break the Nuremberg Code (source: The Washington Times). “

FCC: Honestly this one is just funny to me...who in their literal right mind, think the FCC is a good thing...okay like 15 people...but fucking why?

$388 Million, for censorship...seems a worthy investment. Do...Do I even need links for this one?

FDA: From link already provided
Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) — annual budget $892 billion — This gargantuan structure includes the FDA, CDC and the National Institutes of Health among others. The FDA has its own annual budget of $4.5 billion. This agency has approved prescription and over-the-counter drugs that knowingly have killed hundreds of thousands of people annually, has increased irradiation of the food supply, and has covered up vaccine injuries, But if you want Big Pharma, you can get it from a vending machine, thanks to the FDA. No surprise, the FDA has ties to Monsanto and ties to Bayer. Now our food is being made and modified by the largest pesticide manufacturer, while any move to label GMO is shut down by the agency. The FDA has additionally approved AquaBounty’s GE Salmon despite a statement by The Center for Food Safety, that its “bad for the consumer, bad for the salmon industry, and bad for the environment.” Among other gems are dangerous animal feed additives, approving dangerous anti-viral drugs for infants, and policing food safety in foreign nations.
As for the CDC, or Centers for Disease Creation and Proliferation as some natural medicine practitioners have coined the agency (budget $11 billion), they have encouraged vaccination to such an extent that some have questioned whether their mandated vaccine schedule is part of a compulsory sterilization program.

(That's ignoring how many drugs that would be useful are shelved for very minimal risks. That they halt the progress of...)

Environmental Protection Agency: (I'm just pointing out you loved the EPA so much you put it fucking twice.)

US Postal Service: Okay THIS one is like handing away any legit argument.

This fucking place is going bankrupt, because emails exist. At one point the government was so desperate they wanted to TAX emails to fund the postal service...

cnsnews.com/commentary/doug-bandow/usp..

NASA:
I actually thought liberals in general hated this one, but okay. More money “socialism” spends wisely.
allgov.com/news/where-is-the-money-goi..

NOAA:
stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/07/27..

FRB:
shiftfrequency.com/oversight-federal-r..

forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2013/..

U.S Mint:
abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/coins-costing..

bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-10783019

(Also pennies still exist...)

US Department of Agriculture

heritage.org/research/reports/2007/06/..

heritage.org/research/reports/2009/10/..

A Department of Agriculture report concedes that much of the $2.5 billion in "stimulus" funding for broadband Internet will be wasted.

NIST:
washingtonexaminer.com/updated-new-ig-..

OSHA:
gun.io/blog/the-governments-200000-use..

inthesetimes.com/working/entry/15809/o..

(Also another company, liberals in general seem to dislike for not doing enough, shit tons of links of them watering standards down...)

NHTSA:
(Lots of links about the same general thing. Click one, you've clicked the other. Fair warning. Top link is more detailed.)
techdirt.com/articles/20120327/1716151..
autospies.com/news/NHTSA-Distracted-Dr..

DOT:
cato.org/publications/commentary/nows-..

The Department of Transportation spent $529.689 to create the fourth visitor center around the 54 mile Talimena Scenic Drive between Oklahoma and Arkansas. 

forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2011/03/21..

 Federal transportation funding has increased in recent years, without corresponding benefits. Yet five Department of Transportation “agencies with 6,000 employees administer over 100 separate programs with separate funding streams for highways, transit, rail, and safety functions.”

US Congress: (Um...one of these things is not like the other things...)
The thing...that's been run by “republicans” in the past 8 years? (I put quotations because frankly what exactly HAS been accomplished by these people?)

DOL:
freebeacon.com/issues/labor-department..

forbes.com/sites/kylesmith/2014/08/28/..

DOE:
breitbart.com/big-government/2013/12/0..

Just another list of useful government things: (Including all the ones you know and love.)

posey.house.gov/wasteful-spending

judicialwatch.org/blog/category/wastef..

thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2013/07/24..

So um...welp. That was a lot of wasted time, but frankly I'll be damned if something so patently false liked that much...is something I let slip by...The government's many different programs and all their failings are quite a long list...And saying the internet was made by socialism...or even implying it hurts my soul...

EDIT: TLDR: Since I know not a single person (including me or you) actually cares how much damage these places do, and only laugh because you made fun of fox news. (such a brave thing to do.) Granted, their fucking stupid. But seriously I'm worried THAT many people actually 100% agree and are completely uninformed with these places failures. MAYBE if you didn't mention the FCC, like it was a GOOD thing. (It's equal to like agreeing with SOPA.) Mentioning the fucking postal service to show the government's effectiveness, since it's one of the biggest failures. And the EPA. (TWICE!) I might of not even bothered...

[Vilageidiotx]

I've out that most of the peoblems with atomic power are overblown or have been solved long ago, but everyone is so irrationally scared of radiation and so uneducated on it that we'll just keep poisoning the planet that fostered us. Because hey, one or two big booms at badly designed plants and a waste problem which has already been solved is so much worse than a power plant that pumps out toxins and is incredibly inefficient. Yes, I know, the romanticized solar and wind are the ways of the future... but a nuke plant will keep going through cloudy weather or a still day. A windmill or solar panel can't. We need better backups than fossil fuels or there's no point.

@Inkdrop

Now I'm saying this as someone who thinks there is still a future for Nuclear energy, but I feel it has to be addressed since it is the Elephant in the room. Chernobyl and Fukushima. It's difficult to write those off. I've give you that those are imperfect situations, but imperfect situations have to be expected when dealing with people. A badly designed coal plant or solar farm isn't going to irradiate any significant area.

Also, aren't Solar plants designed with cloudy days in mind? Obviously you aren't going to get much from Seattle, but if you put them in dry areas the cloudy days will be rare enough they'll be able to feed reserves into the system until the clouds let up.

@Dynamo Frokane

Regarding above... you shat in your bed, now you gotta lie in it. I ain't gonna read thirty links of aristocratic apologetics to come up with some sort of rebuttal. Not when i can look at memes and pretend to be busy.

[Dinh AaronMk]

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Now I'm saying this as someone who thinks there is still a future for Nuclear energy, but I feel it has to be addressed since it is the Elephant in the room. Chernobyl and Fukushima. It's difficult to write those off. I've give you that those are imperfect situations, but imperfect situations have to be expected when dealing with people. A badly designed coal plant or solar farm isn't going to irradiate any significant area.

@Vilageidiotx

Chernobyl and Fukushima were what he was referring to, or so I imagine. He didn't say "three" so I imagine Three Mile Island was ignored.

But the lessons from either are pretty easy to determine. One is to not be Soviet and the other isn't to build on fault-lines or in range of tsunamis. Both are pretty easy to not do all-in-all and we're unlikely to have a disaster as major as Chernobyl in the future, which was much more a result of faulty bureaucratic practices than the sloppy engineering of the reactor at the time.

Of particular fun note of Chernobyl is that every engineer in the room was strongly against running the test that melted the reactor down at that time, but the lead engineer in the room at the time wanted to cut corners to get it down. Then wanted to cut additional corners as the disaster progressed in a vein attempt to save his face so he can have the part promotion he was promised that year. It was in the Soviet case a severe lack of oversight that also exposed a severe fault in Soviet nuclear design that they would have otherwise denied until something else happened.

[Vilageidiotx]

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Chernobyl and Fukushima were what he was referring to, or so I imagine. He didn't say "three" so I imagine Three Mile Island was ignored.

But the lessons from either are pretty easy to determine. One is to not be Soviet and the other isn't to build on fault-lines or in range of tsunamis. Both are pretty easy to not do all-in-all and we're unlikely to have a disaster as major as Chernobyl in the future, which was much more a result of faulty bureaucratic practices than the sloppy engineering of the reactor at the time.

Of particular fun note of Chernobyl is that every engineer in the room was strongly against running the test that melted the reactor down at that time, but the lead engineer in the room at the time wanted to cut corners to get it down. Then wanted to cut additional corners as the disaster progressed in a vein attempt to save his face so he can have the part promotion he was promised that year. It was in the Soviet case a severe lack of oversight that also exposed a severe fault in Soviet nuclear design that they would have otherwise denied until something else happened.

@Dinh AaronMk

But that's what I am saying though. If we were to fall back on nuclear power to a larger degree, wouldn't that sort of thing become more common? It just comes off to me a bit like being the guy in 1900 talking about the first car accident and saying "Hey, these guys wrecked their cars because they were being stupid and it was raining and its a new thing, people will wise up and this won't be common in the future."

You can't underestimate the ability of people to fuck up. It's just something that happens. And the main concern is that, if we were to quadruple the number of nuclear facilities, we'd see more of these fuck ups. We don't want to take what happened in Chernobyl and say "Well, for that to happen you have to have Soviet Bureaucracy", because that seems like false-empiricism, like saying "It has to be 1986, and Mikhail Gorbachev has to be in power, and you have to be somewhere in the Ukraine." Then we move to Fukushima and the situation is different, so we add a new list of requirements. That doesn't tell me we know all the ways these things can be fucked up, it tells me were are discovering the ways we can fuck up by having them happen. And I think this is too broad a disaster to play with it too lightly.

[Dinh AaronMk]

<Snipped quote by Dinh AaronMk>

But that's what I am saying though. If we were to fall back on nuclear power to a larger degree, wouldn't that sort of thing become more common? It just comes off to me a bit like being the guy in 1900 talking about the first car accident and saying "Hey, these guys wrecked their cars because they were being stupid and it was raining and its a new thing, people will wise up and this won't be common in the future."

You can't underestimate the ability of people to fuck up. It's just something that happens. And the main concern is that, if we were to quadruple the number of nuclear facilities, we'd see more of these fuck ups. We don't want to take what happened in Chernobyl and say "Well, for that to happen you have to have Soviet Bureaucracy", because that seems like false-empiricism, like saying "It has to be 1986, and Mikhail Gorbachev has to be in power, and you have to be somewhere in the Ukraine." Then we move to Fukushima and the situation is different, so we add a new list of requirements. That doesn't tell me we know all the ways these things can be fucked up, it tells me were are discovering the ways we can fuck up by having them happen. And I think this is too broad a disaster to play with it too lightly.

@Vilageidiotx

I think the thing being over-looked here as far as US design goes is that American plants are over-designed with security in mind versus Russian or Japanese plants. A notable fault in Chernobyl besides the failure to maintain an optimal void coefficient (the balance of water that surround the active reactor without vaporizing into steam so fast that it leaves large pockets of air that do nothing to maintain the reactor's temperature, in the case of Chernobyl when they let the water turn to steam they could get more energy from their RBMK reactor) was that the power-plant did not contain any containment structure for a likely explosion in the reactor core itself.

While Three Mile Island was a disaster in the American front, it wasn't actually a disaster and contained itself very well on part of the largely over-engineered structure of the plant to contain and explosion.

When NPPs explode too, it's not to the size of nuclear bombs. It's worth noting that the fuel in these isn't refined to the needed 5% minimum to allow for a explosive chain-reaction. So a solid shell of concrete can hold about anything that can go wrong.

It's not that these things happen, it's how they're contained. And besides, out of the over 400 global NPPs only 3 have gone wrong. Statistically it's a >1% failure rate and we as a society were more aware of the potential risks of failure then than we were with coal or oil power which even today results in consistent environmental and health failures with as much long-term public risk as a nuclear disaster.

The thing about radiation is that honestly, you can ignore most of it. Chernobyl levels are even measured in the milliseiverts and not a full sievert it'd take to cause immediate harm. Not to mention besides the implications that life doesn't give a shit for radioactivity, it may actually be good for you at those levels.

Versus having to eat a mercury choked tomato because waste fillings from a coal plant were blown into a field and mingled down into the sediment.

[Vilageidiotx]

<Snipped quote by Vilageidiotx>

I think the thing being over-looked here as far as US design goes is that American plants are over-designed with security in mind versus Russian or Japanese plants. A notable fault in Chernobyl besides the failure to maintain an optimal void coefficient (the balance of water that surround the active reactor without vaporizing into steam so fast that it leaves large pockets of air that do nothing to maintain the reactor's temperature, in the case of Chernobyl when they let the water turn to steam they could get more energy from their RBMK reactor) was that the power-plant did not contain any containment structure for a likely explosion in the reactor core itself.

While Three Mile Island was a disaster in the American front, it wasn't actually a disaster and contained itself very well on part of the largely over-engineered structure of the plant to contain and explosion.

When NPPs explode too, it's not to the size of nuclear bombs. It's worth noting that the fuel in these isn't refined to the needed 5% minimum to allow for a explosive chain-reaction. So a solid shell of concrete can hold about anything that can go wrong.

It's not that these things happen, it's how they're contained. And besides, out of the over 400 global NPPs only 3 have gone wrong. Statistically it's a >1% failure rate and we as a society were more aware of the potential risks of failure then than we were with coal or oil power which even today results in consistent environmental and health failures with as much long-term public risk as a nuclear disaster.

The thing about radiation is that honestly, you can ignore most of it. Chernobyl levels are even measured in the milliseiverts and not a full sievert it'd take to cause immediate harm. Not to mention besides the implications that life doesn't give a shit for radioactivity, it may actually be good for you at those levels.

Versus having to eat a mercury choked tomato because waste fillings from a coal plant were blown into a field and mingled down into the sediment.

@Dinh AaronMk

Okay, I'll role with that for now then.

[Dolerman]

@SleepingSilence Well I read some of it, you are pointing out the holes in goverment run programs.

I agree, there are holes in the government, they could improve vastly. I'm not a socialist, I'm a moderate capitalist. But I believe in the balance between authority or liberty, I tend not to deal in extremes.

But where you seem to be consistently messing up is misrepresenting my position (strawman-ing) and calling me a troll.

I repeat for the 3rd of 4th time, someone disagreeing with you or making a smartass comment about an ideology isn't trolling, you throw that word around WAY too much. Trolling is saying something for no other reason than to piss someone off. Just because me making fun of Stefan Molyneux seems to get you incredibly riled up it doesn't mean I'm trolling you or him. I'm attacking an ideology. I also make fun of Stefan for acting like a goddamn cult leader because he does. But that's not TROLLING, I'm not trying to piss him off, because he will never read this, the only one in this entire thread who is upset when I joke about Stefan is you. If you feel that sensitive about an attack on his character then that's something you'll have to come to terms with on your own, I don't know what to tell ya.

Now make like Molyneux and Smile

@Dynamo Frokane

Regarding above... you shat in your bed, now you gotta lie in it. I ain't gonna read thirty links of aristocratic apologetics to come up with some sort of rebuttal. Not when i can look at memes and pretend to be busy.

@Vilageidiotx

As you see, I can do both.

[SleepingSilence]

@Vilageidiotx Well I couldn't even pretend to be busy, my whole weekend was screwed up. So I literally had nothing better to do. #NoLife (I mean I was listening to music, so at least I was multitasking. <.<)

...To come up with some sort of rebuttal. Not when i can look at memes and pretend to be busy.

@Vilageidiotx

In case you were being serious.

I'll throw ya bone, if you want to rebutt what I wrote. Fuck going through all of it, You only need to do two things. Explain, why the Post Office is the perfect example of government efficiency. (and is not a completely bankrupt, 100 billion in debt and nearly obsolete program, and how government taxing emails to fund the post office is a good idea.) And how that in anyway helps/or even correlates to the argument of socialism in medicine...

I implore you, please don't try...

[TheEvanCat]

Did I hear talk of nukes? As a nuclear engineer, I'm hard.