@Lord Wraith

More BvS spoilers, still. [+]

Just because Superman was equally poorly characterised doesn't excuse the fact that Batman was too. If anything, it speaks to how badly Snyder and the writers misinterpreted what people like about Superman and Batman. I wasn't a huge fan of Man of Steel but it struck me as a "serious" (or "realistic) interpretation of Superman, not a particularly grim of dystopian one, whereas I feel like Snyder has flitted away from serious towards grim to excuse making a "Dark Knight Returns"-esque film. The problem being for me that it's not enough to simply say: "Hey! Batman are Superman are dicks now because... bad things happen!" You have to actually convince me that these bad things happening would make Bruce depart from the man he was. Does a poorly-written two minute conversation with Alfred and a shot of a Robin costume convince me Batman would suddenly start killing? No. If Jason and Barbara didn't send Bruce off the edge in the comics, you're going to have a Herculean task to convince me that anything would.

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Honestly I'd say Batfleck is one of the best Batman we've seen on the big screen. Still lacking in the department of World's Greatest Detective but otherwise it looked and felt like Batman.

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Have to say though I don't really agree with some of the above spoilers or how much people are arguing that Batman does break the rules. Keaton and Bale both do the same over the course of their movies and nobody batted an eye.

Honestly I went in with the mind set I was watching a Fast and the Furious movie and I was not disappointed. It's a popcorn flick through and through starring characters who resemble Batman and Superman.

Maybe one day we'll get them right.

@Morden Man I apologize pre birthday drinks have pushed any potential posts back until I have sobered up

@Lord Wraith I cooooouuuuld post in this state. But I could keep drinking instead.