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Only have history done, but it needs to be approved by @Taeryn. Some links to Earth and the Solar War in there.

It's kinda eh, I wrote it at 4am after all, but w/e. I'll make it less crap and add the rest of the sheet later.

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I should also note, Utopians are more than just Humans with some nonsense in their brainparts. I've talked to Ozzy and others about this, but basically you can describe a Utopian as having 'Synthetic Biology'. That is, there is no clear line between biology and technology in a Utopians physiology. Their babies are grown from heavily modified genetic code and a mix of nanotech/wackyspacescience. They still, usually, look Human but their insides bear little resemblance. Veins made from composite fibers, as grown as they are 'manufactured' in the body. Hyper efficient organs. Optimized skeletons made from organometallic compounds. Utopians started with transhumanism in one way, but they never really stopped.

While some might be hard to distinguish from a human, most almost look like they have metal muscles and no skin (at least on their bodies, most like having pretty faces), or they wear weird suits that are also kinda technobiological nonsense that share their not!blood and other stuff. They're peculiar folk.

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No Objections of any sort from me at all.



Largely have something for everything now, let me know if theres any issues at the moment.
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Hey Taern! Is my race good? My Race sheet is on page 4
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@Nate1008 At the risk of sounding like "that guy", is there any sort of limitation to what your virus can actually do? Since it seems like it can just about do anything and things just kept getting pulled out of thin air? Like someone has previously said, you are tripping a lot of red flags for powergaming.

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I'm not a biology expert but I think you're confusing what is meant by a virus/fungus mutation. I think what you need is like cancerous/rapid growth of biomass. Also just from a writing stand point, just having it be something that was found in an air pocket in a mine that went ignored until the entire empire was infected because the entire military and government just decided to stand down and let it happen sounds really lazy and uninspired.

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I honestly cannot decipher whats the meaning behind this. Does it "grow an arm" and use it to control machinery? Does it some how infect a very much non-living computer with a very much alive organism that realistically can't "infect/hack" it like it can with a brain? Also machine motors, especially larger ones, are not easy things to move. If you're trying to move like a starship turret for example that would take a huge amount of energy and effort.

As for biological hosts, why doesn't it shut down everything and basically drive the body around like a walking flesh robot? You don't even need the brain if you want to control a body, just have something to fire nerves and muscles and you get a function walking if not janky meat puppet.


Yes. That is exactly how it infests machinery. It also does the exact same thing to ships. It drives the ship with tentacles inside the cockpit and controls the ships functions from the inside. Vehicles work almost the same. Also, the virus does not shut down the host. If it shuts down the brain, the host dies. The virus feeds on the hosts nutrients. When the body dies, it stops transporting nutrients. The virus also needs the brain alive if it is to take it over. If the brain shuts down in any way, the virus dies out because the body is no-longer giving it resources it needs to survive.
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@Nate1008 Could you give a definitive list of what your virus can and can't do and how? Since it seems like you are just pulling things out of thing air as you need to to adapt to whatever new thing comes up. Also this:

Also, the virus does not shut down the host. If it shuts down the brain, the host dies. The virus feeds on the hosts nutrients. When the body dies, it stops transporting nutrients. The virus also needs the brain alive if it is to take it over. If the brain shuts down in any way, the virus dies out because the body is no-longer giving it resources it needs to survive.


So does the host need to be continuously fed for nutrients to keep going in? You are aware that brain death usually accompanies any sort of traumatic death meaning that most of the time, you are going to be going after dead bodies which by your own definition cannot act as hosts to the infection. In addition, a live infection which turns people into hosts but also some how change their bodies in some way such as growing limbs/tentacles/etc will be extremely traumatic and will kill the host. Human bodies and most bodies aren't designed to suddenly be completely rearranged after birth and doing so would be not only painful to the extreme but lethal too.
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@Nate1008 Could you give a definitive list of what your virus can and can't do and how? Since it seems like you are just pulling things out of thing air as you need to to adapt to whatever new thing comes up. Also this:

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So does the host need to be continuously fed for nutrients to keep going in? You are aware that brain death usually accompanies any sort of traumatic death meaning that most of the time, you are going to be going after dead bodies which by your own definition cannot act as hosts to the infection. In addition, a live infection which turns people into hosts but also some how change their bodies in some way such as growing limbs/tentacles/etc will be extremely traumatic and will kill the host. Human bodies and most bodies aren't designed to suddenly be completely rearranged after birth and doing so would be not only painful to the extreme but lethal too.
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No. The host does not need to be constantly fed. I mean it dies out slowly and becomes non-contagious. Basically useless. Also, the virus itself is another living organism. Because of this, it increases the mental and physical capacity. This greatly decreases chances of trauma. Also, the hosts pain-feeling nerves are shut down, making the host unable to feel pain. The infection is also like cancer in a way. Small tumors grow under the skin until it is ready. When the tumors are large enough, the skin becomes weaker and the tentacles/flesh e.g erupt from the body. After this process is finished, the infested flesh quickly regenerates over the damaged areas and making the new flesh permanent. Here is a picture of an infested for visual detail:
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@Nate1008 So I went over your sheet real quick and bounced on something. Your biological weapons are quite weak to be honest.

For starts your Bio-FTL will be next to useless if that’s your actual method of FTL to go around systems. The moon is at its closest approach with earth 405.000 km away from us. An FTL jump of 1.000 km is nothing in the grand scale of space.

Your Bio-Cannon and heavy Bio-Cannon are also next to useless. For one they can easily be taken out by point-defense. Secondly, because you’re lacking any technological method of launching these objects I’m assuming you’re using something in the way of muscles? Which can only shoot off objects so fast before they start destroying themselves and even pushed beyond their limits you’re not going go as fast as a bullet or a missile. Modern space ships will easily dodge your projectiles and if they don’t, I can’t imagine they’ll do much more than scratch the hull. Also, poisoned bone spikes aren’t going to do anything against a ship. You need to be lucky to break through the hull and hit a crew member and that victim is going to have bigger issues than being poisoned.

For your fleshrippers, what exactly would their purpose be? They are short-range tentacles with bone tips. Nobody is going to move in close enough for those to be viable and even then, a tentacle flailing bone isn’t going to do much damage (except, maybe, against strike craft or really small corvettes).

And finally, I’m guessing the bio-spore is supposed to be some sort of anti-strike craft weapon? Again it just sounds really weak against anything bigger than a Corvette or maybe a frigate. It may try to latch on to anything bigger but as it can only survive for 5 minutes I don’t think it would really do anything against a hull. Also again, point-defense would massacre these things.

To sum up: you don’t seem to have anything capable of destroying a destroyer or upwards. I’d review those weapons if I were you.
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These weapons are meant for small and medium targets, specifically infantry. The Hive Ships are used for planetary conflict. As for the bio-FTL: Hive ships have more than one. These effects also stack, e.g: 1 FTL = 1000 km, 5 FTL's = 5000 km. Also, the ability to infest other ships gives the fleet an advantage. The Infested fleets consist of very small amounts of Hive Ships, and lots of infested ships. Infested ships still retain most of their weapons and use them as if they were normal. e.g: a cannon is slightly weaker, but still shoots with its special mechanism. Sometimes, the infestation may accidentally clog/jam the mechanism and make the weapon less efficient or stop it from working all together. Also, again. The Hive ships are more for planetary combat rather than space. The flesh rippers however, are meant for space. They are normally located underneath Hive Ships and are used specifically for space combat. The Hive Ship can fly over-top of the enemy ship and tear it apart. Flesh rippers are great for tearing ships, and the fact that they are fast and there are lots of them equipped on a ship. A single Hive Ship can attack another ship with its Flesh rippers about 481 times per second, each ripping off large chunks of metal and small creatures called Hive Swarmers, witch are small flying creatures capable of short distance space travel, board the ship from the ripped holes and kill the crew from inside. Also sabotaging the internal systems of the ship.
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Back on another post by the way, the infestation does have limitations. 1: the virus is no-longer airborne. The virus must be in special living conditions in the air to stay alive. 2: the only way to infest something now is to contaminate something with the virus by touch. To be clear, the virus can survive for a while after contamination because the infested flesh produces a fluid that is filled with the virus and has the living conditions required to live on the contaminated object. If something touches the contamination, the virus slips through the skin and infects the inside. If the contamination stays too long without a host, the virus collects itself and creates the infested flesh on the object, e.g: counter, floor, wall. 3: as legion02 discovered, the Hive Ship weapons are weak and most are almost useless in space.
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@Nate1008 On your Bio-FTL: I mean, great you just needed 5 ships to get 5000 km (at best). The earth is about 149.669.000 km away from our own sun. It takes 4 lightyears to reach the nearest star system (Alpha Centauri A). You would need an armada of ships to stack that many jumps to get there. Basically, the Bio-FTL is still exceptionally weak. And to be honest, you're seemingly mostly banking on taking other people's ship to use their FTL but I can assure you that's not going to work out.

On another note: do you have psionics? If so, how do you use them? So far most factions seem to either have psionics or anti-psionic weapons and I'd assume a giant hivemind that uses psionics for FTL has some powerful psionics.
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@Nate1008 On your Bio-FTL: I mean, great you just needed 5 ships to get 5000 km (at best). The earth is about 149.669.000 km away from our own sun. It takes 4 lightyears to reach the nearest star system (Alpha Centauri A). You would need an armada of ships to stack that many jumps to get there. Basically, the Bio-FTL is still exceptionally weak. And to be honest, you're seemingly mostly banking on taking other people's ship to use their FTL but I can assure you that's not going to work out.

On another note: do you have psionics? If so, how do you use them? So far most factions seem to either have psionics or anti-psionic weapons and I'd assume a giant hivemind that uses psionics for FTL has some powerful psionics.


No,no,no. There is 582 Bio-FTL's inside of a Hive Frigate. That would mean that a single Frigate can warp 582000 km. The Hive Capital Ship has 8183 Bio-FTL's, meaning the ship can warp 8183000 km with about 5000-6000 other ships inside of it. The Bio-FTL's are only small parts of the Hive-Minds psionic power. The Hive-Minds power is strong enough to tear a 2 km hole in the space-time continuum. But this would exhaust the Hive-Minds life energy as well and it would die or become life threateningly weak.
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No,no,no. There is 582 Bio-FTL's inside of a Hive Frigate. That would mean that a single Frigate can warp 582000 km. The Hive Capital Ship has 8183 Bio-FTL's, meaning the ship can warp 8183000 km with about 5000-6000 other ships inside of it. The Bio-FTL's are only small parts of the Hive-Minds psionic power. The Hive-Minds power is strong enough to tear a 2 km hole in the space-time continuum. But this would exhaust the Hive-Minds life energy as well and it would die or become life threateningly weak.


Alright, so your hypderdread can jump 8.183.000 km at the most. Neptune, which isn't even outside of the sun's gravity well, is 4.495.000.000 km away from the sun. Your hyperdread would need 550 jumps just to reach the outer fringes of the Sol system's gravity well. Even if we say that we put 6000 frigates inside your hyperdread and it can use all those FTLs you're still not reaching Neptune. Let alone another solar system. So the Bio-FTL is still super weak.

As for the psionics. I was honestly expecting something more but okay I guess.
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@Nate1008 I recommend you read up on common roleplaying etiquette (godmodding, god mode, etc.) and rethink your nation.
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Bit of what I've got so far to show that I'm getting something done. If I can stop going overboard with every section I should be done by the end of the week.

Edit: finished and ready for review.

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Call the WARGRID WARG/warg if you want to make it more casual btw. It is what the Kobiots did.
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So it's cool that Humans didn't have natural Psychics/Psionics until the Society did their whole shindig and more or less seeded the species with them?

This also applies to @Sigma.

Legion has his whole rock thing, which more or less works its own way.
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@Crispy Octopus I don't mind it at all myself.
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It is done. The federation are here and they want you to put on their blue jeans and listen to their rock music.



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Awesome @Sigma.

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