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I don't think the devs hate gay people (there are trans people they interact with everyday, so they're definitely not staunchly anti LGBTTQQIAAP), I just think their sense of humor still involves using the word "gay" because it kind of sounds funny.


devs have said some incredibly shit things about trans people and feminist things. be their opinion come from ignorance or bigotry doesn't really matter for this.

replacing a letter with g to make the word gay to "parody" a soap brand is about as funny as putting in a single ice cube when the person asks for a couple.

it also doesn't matter because people weren't actually mad about the bottle saying ogay. they were mad because of the devs saying really shit things that they shouldn't have said on their discord and having "fagbag" be in a secret (albeit not fully accessible?) area. when you compound it all together, it's not a good look. if it was just the bottle of soap, the actual disdain for it would be considerably less.

the reason why people are upset about the rollback is because it's such an obvious corporate move. there is no censorship, there is no hill to die on. every reason that they gave was a total crock. it's just a company that realized that chuds mobilize their doodoo heads to review bomb games that buckle to pressure, so they're trying to play both sides to push a product.

i can at least respect the hustle, but i'm still going to make fun of the devs and 3d realms for having no balls.

so i'm rambling now and going off the hinges, so really my comment was just a dig at chud "journalists" like the one that was linked earlier and not the devs.

"...it’s also a reminder to those of you out there who are tired of seeing politics forced into your games. You can push back. You have a voice. Use it."

that's the line. someone unironically wrote that about a bottle of ogay.
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devs have said some incredibly shit things about trans people and feminist things. be their opinion come from ignorance or bigotry doesn't really matter for this.


What did they actually say? Nothing in the resetera posts was actually transphobic (though, I will say, the insinuation that people are trying to make their babies trans is definitely a form of trans panic). They were discussing an issue, not saying that trans people or feminists should die.

I don't personally agree with a lot of of it, but it barely hit my personal "crazy" radar.

Edit: I guess for example, in one statement they said it was odd that videogame addiction is classified as a mental illness and being trans is no longer a mental health disorder. One trans person chimed in and said that was hilarious to them (because they have mental issues), and they talked about that. When you have people who are actually trans agreeing with your statement, even if its just one trans person, that doesn't make you horrible to have your ideas supported.

Edit v2: I think the gender role shit is dumb too, but I don't really care that much. It's such a common opinion, men vs women biology, stupid to get mad over it.
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What did they actually say? Nothing in the resetera posts was actually transphobic (though, I will say, the insinuation that people are trying to make their babies trans is definitely a form of trans panic). They were discussing an issue, not saying that trans people or feminists should die.

Edit: I guess for example, in one statement they said it was odd that videogame addiction is classified as a mental illness and being trans is no longer a mental health disorder. One trans person chimed in and said that was hilarious to them (because they have mental issues), and they talked about that. When you have people who are actually trans agreeing with your statement, even if its just one trans person, that doesn't make you horrible to have your ideas supported.

Edit v2: I think the gender role shit is dumb too, but I don't really care that much. It's such a common opinion, men vs women biology, stupid to get mad over it.


It all takes a bit to read into since a lot of bigoted views are hidden in bad faith, lies, and dog whistles, so I can try to seriously analyze it.

For starters, all of the SJW comments: SJW is a notorious dog whistle. Like all dog whistles, usage of it doesn't mean much, but when you compound it with other things, it gets bad. The characterization of SJWs as this very angry force of sad people who just want to be powerful on the internet is a big red flag.

The "trans kids" arguments is a notorious right-wing lie and bad faith argument. If someone is telling you that the "SJW" or whatever they call them want parents to force their children to be trans, then that's 100% a lie propagated by bigots and the ignorant. The entire cusp (and common view) that is held is that children shouldn't be treated gendered. IE, since you're a boy you have to play with cars, wear blue, and do all of that stuff. Let children play with what they want to play with.

The 'there is no feminist slant' in this game comment from one of the lead devs is a dog whistle. The statement itself is rather inert from an objective reading; it merely says that there is no feminist ideals. However, compound it with other things and the statement becomes a bit more sketchy. By using the word slant, you're essentially implying that feminism is bad. Slant is a very negative word in common usage.

Then when Randy Pitchford (bless the piece of condensed coal that forms his fake, lizardman heart), said that Duke Nukem needed a paradigm shift in gameplay for modern audiences, they instantly went on the defensive. Rather than say that old school shooters were good and cool, a dev instantly went to "make duke an SJW", which is completely off topic for a quick jab at the invisible SJW menace.

The lead dev talked about some SJWs doxxing. Doxxing is a bipartisan (har har) issue. Both the mythical chud and the fantastical SJW doxx people. By his statements, he's implying that only SJWs doxx people.

Then there were his comments about the slut walk. The dude actually didn't understand the difference between a woman choosing to look a certain way without being harassed versus a fictional character designed by someone looking a certain way. There is no hypocritical view on disliking the design of certain fictional characters and allowing women to wear what they want without being harassed. Believing that someone couldn't hold the two views is indicative of bad faith.

A quick view of their twitter shows that the official Voidpoint twitter follows a bunch of bad actors that also fight against the SJW menace. They retweeted Lauren Southern on the official account. Lauren Southern. I wouldn't even retweet her on my sneaky fake account.

Then there's the dev who was pretty homophobic back in 2011 on Duke4. It was over 8 years ago and people can change, but dying on a hill slightly left from your poop mountain is not a good look on the idea that people change.

And for the tipping point (it was a bit buried a ton of pages in) here: another dev went for the HUGE bad faith argument of "the gov't is pushing a law that allows any surgery of trans kids of any age without proof" which is a huge push of lies from transphobic people. It's a massive dog whistles because, like before, none of it refers to gender reassignment surgery or things of that ilk. They're referring to hormone blockers. Something with a considerably low risk and does not cause permanent effects.

At best, they fall HARD into the anti-SJW rabbit hole which is a horrible look. If you take any statement as a single view, it's not so bad. Mostly ignorance with a touch of bigotry. But when you compound all of this stuff? Def. not a good view on the people in your company.
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It all takes a bit to read into since a lot of bigoted views are hidden in bad faith, lies, and dog whistles, so I can try to seriously analyze it.

For starters, all of the SJW comments: SJW is a notorious dog whistle. Like all dog whistles, usage of it doesn't mean much, but when you compound it with other things, it gets bad. The characterization of SJWs as this very angry force of sad people who just want to be powerful on the internet is a big red flag.

The "trans kids" arguments is a notorious right-wing lie and bad faith argument. If someone is telling you that the "SJW" or whatever they call them want parents to force their children to be trans, then that's 100% a lie propagated by bigots and the ignorant. The entire cusp (and common view) that is held is that children shouldn't be treated gendered. IE, since you're a boy you have to play with cars, wear blue, and do all of that stuff. Let children play with what they want to play with.

The 'there is no feminist slant' in this game comment from one of the lead devs is a dog whistle. The statement itself is rather inert from an objective reading; it merely says that there is no feminist ideals. However, compound it with other things and the statement becomes a bit more sketchy. By using the word slant, you're essentially implying that feminism is bad. Slant is a very negative word in common usage.

Then when Randy Pitchford (bless the piece of condensed coal that forms his fake, lizardman heart), said that Duke Nukem needed a paradigm shift in gameplay for modern audiences, they instantly went on the defensive. Rather than say that old school shooters were good and cool, a dev instantly went to "make duke an SJW", which is completely off topic for a quick jab at the invisible SJW menace.

The lead dev talked about some SJWs doxxing. Doxxing is a bipartisan (har har) issue. Both the mythical chud and the fantastical SJW doxx people. By his statements, he's implying that only SJWs doxx people.

Then there were his comments about the slut walk. The dude actually didn't understand the difference between a woman choosing to look a certain way without being harassed versus a fictional character designed by someone looking a certain way. There is no hypocritical view on disliking the design of certain fictional characters and allowing women to wear what they want without being harassed. Believing that someone couldn't hold the two views is indicative of bad faith.

A quick view of their twitter shows that the official Voidpoint twitter follows a bunch of bad actors that also fight against the SJW menace. They retweeted Lauren Southern on the official account. Lauren Southern. I wouldn't even retweet her on my sneaky fake account.

Then there's the dev who was pretty homophobic back in 2011 on Duke4. It was over 8 years ago and people can change, but dying on a hill slightly left from your poop mountain is not a good look on the idea that people change.

And for the tipping point (it was a bit buried a ton of pages in) here: another dev went for the HUGE bad faith argument of "the gov't is pushing a law that allows any surgery of trans kids of any age without proof" which is a huge push of lies from transphobic people. It's a massive dog whistles because, like before, none of it refers to gender reassignment surgery or things of that ilk. They're referring to hormone blockers. Something with a considerably low risk and does not cause permanent effects.

At best, they fall HARD into the anti-SJW rabbit hole which is a horrible look. If you take any statement as a single view, it's not so bad. Mostly ignorance with a touch of bigotry. But when you compound all of this stuff? Def. not a good view on the people in your company.


Ok last version of the post was essentially pure, rambling stupid and I apologize for it and any other sin that I have ever committed. I'm going to say I agree the devs are likely the same ANTI-SJW types I was arguing with on the steamdiscussions who wanted to, desperately for some god forsaken reason, keep Ogay in as a thing. I sympathize and get that and most of your reads are pretty solid.
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we all have hills we love

for me it's brink

i just want brink 2 baby

and pal, dont worry about it.

you got nothing to apologize for

there's no right answers for any of these issues
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@OwOI'd take a spiritual successor to Brink. But not Brink...
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I'd take a spiritual successor to Brink. But not Brink...


thankfully(?) there is one. Dirty Bomb.

though the game was kinda mismanaged and is a big steaming pile of wasted potential. kinda dead right now.
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thankfully(?) there is one. Dirty Bomb.

though the game was kinda mismanaged and is a big steaming pile of wasted potential. kinda dead right now.


Damn, they didn't have to follow Brink's footsteps so accurately.
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With the Final Fantasy 8 Remaster out on Tuesday (got my copy, fuck yeah) I'm gonna take this time to remind everyone: Final Fantasy 8 is the best one and I will fight you irl if you disagree.
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With the Final Fantasy 8 Remaster out on Tuesday (got my copy, fuck yeah) I'm gonna take this time to remind everyone: Final Fantasy 8 is the best one and I will fight you irl if you disagree.


I have never played a final fantasy game and generally ignore the JRPG genre, but for some reason I definitely disagree with your statement.

Also, if it is the final fantasy, wouldn't the first one be the last one? It would not be the final one if there are more to come, that's the opposite of what final means. So I got to take points off for that, unless the semantics of it are different in Japanese.
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Also, if it is the final fantasy, wouldn't the first one be the last one? It would not be the final one if there are more to come, that's the opposite of what final means. So I got to take points off for that, unless the semantics of it are different in Japanese.


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Also, if it is the final fantasy, wouldn't the first one be the last one? It would not be the final one if there are more to come, that's the opposite of what final means. So I got to take points off for that, unless the semantics of it are different in Japanese.


The series is called "Final Fantasy" because when square (not square enix yet) made the the game, they thought it would be the final game they made before their studio collapsed. Thankfully, it sold rather well!

I guess the fact the games usually are in the middle of a "soon to be magical, world ending apocalypse" the final might be appropriate there.
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Borderlands 3 is fun and Randy Pitchford is still an assclown.
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Borderlands 3 is fun and Randy Pitchford is still an assclown.


he's a clown but he buys out my opinion of him with free golden keys
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For anyone interested in the Kaiserreich mod or plays Paradox games in general, this is pretty neat.
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modern warfare is big fun
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It's a bit pricey but Code Vein is a pretty good character creation game.
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So, how about that Blizzard, huh?
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