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When everyone who disagrees with you is a "Nazi" then no one is a Nazi. This is to ignore the misapplication of the term of course as well. Yet what I mean specifically is that it is a cliché, a meme, a joke. Calling one a Nazi now is about as potent as using the term "cuck" other than in memedom; no one will take the accusing member seriously and they honestly should not.

We hear about how "Nazis openly had a march." but people here have even dispelled that; it isn't news or special. They have been doing it for a time. What made this past event different? That there were "more" of them? That is only partially true as you had so many different factions together, those "both sides" to blame, there are only a few ways to identify those who are Nazis as authentic Neo-Nazis. I might add too that a fair number of these people were fakes, enough to have pictures of them taken and in some cases, proven to be paid protestors and actors.

Was it that someone died at a "Nazi" rally when a car drove into a crowd? People should read some of the reports on it. I am confident the issue that led to that death was not "Nazis murdering people." but a failure of control in the chaos. But I digress.

Instead of doubling down on policies of identity politics, like claiming the Nazis are somehow "stronger than ever" and that the "Alt-Right" is some major threat, the time wasted could have been better spent on finding a message that actually attracts the people of the United States. With all honesty, I would like to hear and see an actual Nazi who has legitimate power, authority and influence here; these cries of "fascism" and "racism" are little more than feigned tears from misguided people. I say this because no such person exists in any role of actual authority.

Why not, instead of playing the social justice game trying to win one's self more oppression points to strut about as a peacock, focus on Stephen Paddock? Harvey Weinstein? Imran Awan? Debbie Wasserman Schultz? Scott Weiner? Seth Rich? James Demore? And countless others?

So-called "Nazis" are the least of our issues.
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So-called "Nazis" are the least of our issues.


tbf though that's easy for us to say.

@mdk You've mentioned you go off on unrelated tangents when addressing me, so I'll ignore your last 2 paragraphs. But yeah, the Nazis were a lot of things, most notably, genocidal, hateful and violent. I have said nothing factually incorrect, so it seems you are arguing with another invisible voodoo doll again, its making you look a little paranoid my dude.


mmmhmmmmmmm.
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Maybe we need to be a bit more granular when discussing violent racists spewing white nationalist rhetoric.



Some of these things are kinda the same...


I wish I had the time to make one of those aircraft identification charts...
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Also I came onto this thread over 100 pages back. I clearly have more time on my hands than I perceive!
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If you are going to go through the effort of needing to label everyone and everything to function it would at least be wise, or appropriate, to call them what they are and understand their identity, motives, goals and preoccupations. These are all fairly distinct factions as we have discussed previously and without a doubt while there is overlap, people are more complicated than just "Nazi"; tossing the word around has made it meaningless. I understand this to be a joke, or at least that is how I view it, but if taken seriously at all this is why there is such a massive divide in political functioning.

What does this sabertooth mean by that? Well, I mean that this is the difference between the "Alt-Right", the "Alt-Right", "Trumplicans", "Republicans" and the like. This principal and understanding works in reverse as well, that not all "Bernie Bros" are "Democrats", of whom do not all pledge allegiance to "Antifa" or the "Black Lives Matter" movement. There is overlap in many of these, but calling all of the right "Nazis" is the same insanity and stupidity as labelling all of the left "Communists".
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@Inkarnate Apparently killing Nazi's in a videogame makes you an SJW.

Now who's policing videogames gamergate?
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@Inkarnate Apparently killing Nazi's in a videogame makes you an SJW.

Now who's policing videogames gamergate?

It’s like the opposite of the 90s. I cannot even take gamers seriously now.
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@mdk I will say it's a sweeping over generalization to call Trump a Nazi, despite one of the groups that follow him. He's just opportunistic and enjoys praise, no matter who it's from.
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@mdk I will say it's a sweeping over generalization to call Trump a Nazi, despite one of the groups that follow him. He's just opportunistic and enjoys praise, no matter who it's from.


It's not just a sweeping generalization, it's unprovable and likely utterly false.
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Right. Trump is not someone who follows the ideology of Hitler in secret or in public, at least he has as much of a chance as anyone else. He just doesn't condemn them which is bad.
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He has condemned them. Besides, I don't care who the candidate is, they don't have to condemn who supports them because lunatics support people and you have no real control over who supports you and who doesn't outside of you're political agenda. I do believe there are KKK members and Nazis who put their support out for other candidates, not just Trump (including dems here as well).
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He condemned them after 3 days of harassment, after initially not condemning them in his first interview/press conference on the subject.

If I can say he's not Hitler, can you admit this TV personality isn't somewhat of an attention whore?
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I am fairly certain refusing to work with known white nationalists in one of his original bids for President of the United States, denoucing the Neo-Nazi movement several times during this past running when they pledged their support, and blaming "both sides" for their roles in a recent tragedy is unquestionably denouncing them. Let us not forget this is the man who changed Mar a Lago and has won awards for race relations over an entire lifetime; hardly "white nationalist" let alone Nazi material. If actions and words are not enough, what then constitutes sufficient condemnation?
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He condemned them after 3 days of harassment, after initially not condemning them in his first interview/press conference on the subject.


And then he doubled down on his original comments, which he should have. Was there not violence on 'many sides' as Trump said? There certainly was. His statement was not inaccurate, and his statement covers all bases including that of the alleged Nazis.

The fact that violent counter-protestors are allowed to get near another group of protestors of an opposing viewpoint is somewhat absurd to me. But, I digress, point is, there was violence on each side at the rally. He condemned the violence, as he should. Trump was taking an incredibly responsible position by NOT finger-pointing in one direction and being a reactionary hack like the rest of the media INCLUDING Fox News.

If I can say he's not Hitler, can you admit this TV personality isn't somewhat of an attention whore?


Trump has an ego (yuuuugeee). Of course he does. I don't mind the suggestion that Trump's got a love for attention, so long as he sticks to the agenda.
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Either everything that you just said is false or Trump leads a double life. @The Harbinger of Ferocity
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And then he doubled down on his original comments, which he should have. Was there not violence on 'many sides' as Trump said? There certainly was. His statement was not inaccurate, and his statement covers all bases including that of the alleged Nazis.

The fact that violent counter-protestors are allowed to get near another group of protestors of an opposing viewpoint is somewhat absurd to me. But, I digress, point is, there was violence on each side at the rally. He condemned the violence, as he should. Trump was taking an incredibly responsible position by NOT finger-pointing in one direction and being a reactionary hack like the rest of the media INCLUDING Fox News.

Trump has an ego (yuuuugeee). Of course he does. I don't mind the suggestion that Trump's got a love for attention, so long as he sticks to the agenda.

Oh, I agree ANTIFA fits the bill of domestic terrorist, but to speak of them a day after Charleston instead of immediately denouncing one of America's greatest foes in the last century was...well, wrong.
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Waking up in a world where the US is pulling out of UNESCO. Not really sure how to react to that.
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Oh, I agree ANTIFA fits the bill of domestic terrorist, but to speak of them a day after Charleston instead of immediately denouncing one of America's greatest foes in the last century was...well, wrong.


The irony here is that Antifa looks and acts the way the Nazis did before their rise. Still, I don't see how you can construe the condemnation of a group that actively assaults people (and did so during Charlottesville, perhaps being a significant contributing factor to the ultimate tragedy) as wrong.
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It's not the first time we've pulled out. The last time was Reagan. @Penny
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