[OOC] Arena Chat Thread

[Asuras]

the same fight ending with one blowing the other's brains out with a concealed firearm.

@LeeRoy

Actually that sounds pretty entertaining. :3c

[LeeRoy]

@Asuras
Fights that end too quickly are fun for neither party regardless of recipient or deliverer.

[HarbingerKurahi]

I prefer the Ultra High tier of play as I find it makes for more interesting battles. The description is apt but could do with some rewording as I basically pulled the direct definition for Black Lightning off of the Super Power Wiki. From the sounds of things you guys here generally prefer what is known as RM and UM or Realistic Melee and Unrealistic Melee when it comes to rulesets and powers. I, however, prefer to operate in the PC or Powered Character range which is where you'll mainly find things like gods and other super powerful entities. I've worked on developing this character for about a year and a half and the abilities that he has are the ones that I've more or less selected based on his character arc to best match my preferred playstyle. As for the weapon effect that you mentioned earlier, while lesser beings like humans and vampires and the like would not be able to fight past it. High-end characters similar to mine would have no problem either negating it or simply ignoring it due to their inherent magical ability. I believe that I even specifically mentioned that it only affects lesser beings. On top of that, the weapon itself is the weapon of a Horseman and is prone to some very world-shattering abilities as is box standard for weapons of that Archetype. While my characters abilities are certainly quite powerful he is by no means invincible. If he was to be stabbed in the heart, for example, he would still die as anyone else would. However due to his nature and the armor he wears that is understandably more difficult for someone who cannot match him in power.

[MelonHead]

For anyone curious, by the by, I came third out of sixteen or so in the GCL. Ironically only a point separated me from coming joint first. I will now hate toilet arenas until the day I die.

[Drifting Pollen]

I should fight you sometime. Not now, but soon. Soon.

@MelonHead

Sweet. Let me know when the time comes.

Im open for a fight if you'd like one.

@Divinity

Could be fun. Were you thinking of going up against Tybalt, or is any character good?

[ImportantNobody]

fight ending with one blowing the other's brains out with a concealed firearm.

@LeeRoy

Which is how I view a fight with Evvie would go against a concealed gun user as she's not used to fighting guns. And why I used Rakkan for a fight I suspected such an attack would come so he could keep fighting even after such an attack. Speaking of that, time it get to posting there.

@Asuras
Fights that end too quickly are fun for neither party regardless of recipient or deliverer.

@LeeRoy

Could be fun in rare circumstances. Indiana Jones did it pretty funny against the sword guy. It wouldn't be as fun if it happened in a tournament setting, of course. If I get my butt in gear to make a web comic I'll have some villain guy with a lot of build up for the chapter show up and then just get instantly demolished by one child when he thought he'd take over the world. A lot of work for the payoff of a single joke, but I think it will be hilarious.

Because your lightning ABSOLUTELY destroys whatever it touches. SO his lightning is totally worthless in the face of yours.

@LeeRoy

Guess my Invincible Girl would get killed by it based on what is written in his sheet. She likely has some upper limit way up in god teir that can damage her, although the recent clarification he gave likely means she'd negate it after all. Whatever the case she's not going into any tournaments as she's not exactly T1, I don't think, unless we just say she's god tier but with other physical attributes such as strength way below that so she'd be outmatched in that tier.

[MelonHead]

Sweet. Let me know when the time comes.

@Drifting Pollen

Which of my characters would you want to fight anyway?

[LeeRoy]

@HarbingerKurahi
To break it down dude.

Your character isn't ultra high by any definition, he's just got an ultra high tier power.

The poison immunity doesn't matter TBH, I'd say there's like four total poison users active at any point in time. Myself included.

Storm Caller's heat generation is pathetic and outstripped by an intermediate tier character.

Here's a list of things it can melt.

Copper, Antimony, Aluminum, (low quality) brass, cadmium, bismuth, lead, magnesium, silver, sodium, zinc. (This is not a complete list, but anything usable in a weapon is not listed here.)
Every single one of those can't be weaponized, save for silver, but that's because of its magical effect against Werewolves (And sometimes vampires and undead in general.)

About his first sword. Excusing the fact that mind control powers are a no-go, PERIOD.

Nobody in ultra-high tier can be considered weak willed.

In fact I'd say just about no character in a combat setting can be considered weak willed.

Even my bear character, who is BEARly capable of conscious thought, has a strong will. Demonstrated in @Skallagrim's Multiverse, where he had just been killed by a demon and requested to be sent to fight an even stronger malevolent entity. Despite knowing that he wouldn't survive.

Unbreakable weapons are a mainstay so really no complaint here.

The black lightning is the only power that has any semblance of high to ultra high tier, but the kicker is. Any ultra high tier character could survive it and move in to absolutely obliterate your character. Because if the black lightning doesn't instantly kill them, Harbringer here is absolutely outclassed in every regard.

HELL, simply by EXISTING near four of my five Ultra-high tier characters he'd be obliterated.

Sterling's shredding wind barrier produces winds strong enough to tear steel like paper.
Kynion's entropy aura can only be resisted by another entity with an equally strong aura.
Shael's dark energy aura blasts matter apart near his body and follows the above rule.
Wanderer's body generates heats up to 14,500k. Anything that's not higher tier near it dies.

And these are just the passive abilities of Ultra-High tier characters.

There's a reason why they are literally never used, it's because for writing purposes they are background characters.

The black lightning, at the tiers he fits into, is unfair to anyone else in those tiers. (Intermediate as he is and High if you buff his physical ability.)

And in the tier you believe he's in, he's so underwhelming that he'd die nearly instantly.

This is the point I'm trying to get across.

This is why absolutes don't work.

[Skallagrim]

@HarbingerKurahi

Looking over your character. I can see it being allowed in PC fights. There is nothing overly shattering in the power set. The wording is a little wonky. Black lighting is just a needless term, lighting is lighting. It moves fast and you cannot destroy energy merely transform it into another form. So it stands that your "black" lighting is more akin to matter/anti-matter when dealing with lighting. Which if I were to adjudicate your character for a tournament would be the caveat. Other than that it is an interesting concept.

[HarbingerKurahi]

@LeeRoy I'm assuming that you missed my previous post where I explained that his powers as is are described with the limiters set by the T-1 ruleset that I'm familiar with already in play. If I were to use him how I want to use him there would literally be nothing in existence that could match him power wise. I'm also assuming that you're a pretty experienced roleplayer so I'm sure you can understand why that cannot be. Thus he is, how he is described in my character sheet. Now as I've seen, you guys follow a slightly different ruleset here then what I'm used to so I'm decidedly unversed in its nuances but just from my observations, you guys don't really like the style of combat that I'm used to.

@Skallagrim
I appreciate your incite on the matter. I really need to get around to editing his character sheet as it hasn't really been edited in about six months and I've since added a couple of new/reworked abilities to his repertoire. I'll need to go over his sheet and make sure that everything is up to date before I do anything with it.

[Skallagrim]

PC fights are a wonderful chessmatch. However it requires a dance partner who understands the dance. That being said most people here like MP fights. There are lurkers who prefer PC fights and look for others who do. Don't give up your quest.

***edit*** I think I have the rules you are used too or a close approximation in my T1 link.

[HarbingerKurahi]

@SkallagrimThanks mate. I've got a couple of ideas that I'd like to run by you if you don't mind.

[Skallagrim]

Sure. Shoot me a PM or post it. I have work, a kid and various other things going on so if I don't respond right away fear not, I will.

[ImportantNobody]

@HarbingerKurahi

I'm sure you wouldn't abuse it and have limits in mind, but I don't see how the sheet itself follows t-1 limits as we know it and here's why (in my opinion). If I wanted to be a jerk I don't see why I couldn't destroy everything in existence with dark lightning in one massive blast of lightning all around me. The light strain is likely what stops him from doing so, which is where you have to play responsibly and go on the honor system, which is unavoidable to an extent on such high power. But if light strain is for, say, planet sized attacks, the sheet still makes it sound like he could kill anything and everything in that radius, gods or what have you, which they could only not be destroyed by not getting hit at all, somehow dodging any number of lightning bolts he sends out. Blocking is impossible because he destroys anything it hits.

I'm basing this strictly on the sheet without outside context. If gods and higher level aren't instantly obliterated then that needs to be added into the sheet to fit your vision of his power under these rules.

[Drifting Pollen]

Which of my characters would you want to fight anyway?

@MelonHead

Any of them would work. George, Anna, Sigurd and Metz seem the most interesting out of those I've read, but I'll face whoever you feel like using. Name a tier, and I can offer an opponent around that level.

[HarbingerKurahi]

@ImportantNobody

As is I have him set up so that his power is under certain limits such as that he cannot generate limitless lightning of planet destroying magnitude. An attack like that with the way that I play my character takes at the very least five turns of prep and a fairly long setup post before it can be used and the last time I had to use it to kill an opponent I had to literally hold him in a bear hug after the fifth post. I do not ever seek to simply out power my opponent through the use of my abilities. I much prefer to beat my opponent through skill and strength of arms as I find that to be a much more honorable victory then just farting lightning at someone.

[Divinity]

@Drifting Pollen Any character will do. Though I'd suggest they be closer to PC than MP.

[Skallagrim]

Farting lightning sounds like a cool power.

[ImportantNobody]

@ImportantNobody

As is I have him set up so that his power is under certain limits such as that he cannot generate limitless lightning of planet destroying magnitude. An attack like that with the way that I play my character takes at the very least five turns of prep and a fairly long setup post before it can be used and the last time I had to use it to kill an opponent I had to literally hold him in a bear hug after the fifth post. I do not ever seek to simply out power my opponent through the use of my abilities. I much prefer to beat my opponent through skill and strength of arms as I find that to be a much more honorable victory then just farting lightning at someone.

@HarbingerKurahi

Sounds good. You mention editing the character sheet with stuff so it's a good idea, if you haven't already, to include such restrictions within the sheet so we have a better understanding of his limitation and he'd be far more likely to be allowed into official stuff like tournaments if there's ever a really high power tournament going on. I also don't know the range of his lightning and might assume it's as far as he can visualize the lightning going but it's possible you have made up some other range limit.

[xmetawolf]

so um... any one available for a session?