Ammokkx

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

@SleepingSilence read up, sleepingsilence

once again, the quoted quotes were not aimed at you but someone else instead

don't take bitch thread as personal attacks

EDIT: Or, at least, raddum's wasn't.

Persistent World

@AmmokkxI was told that it wasn't an open world. But in the Multiverse, there is no one checking CSes. People are allowed to throw whatever they want into the mix. Laws are decided by kingdoms, nations, galactic forces, etc. The Multiverse is a very broad idea and it's self-sustaining. It's a self-sustaining RP that exists for as long as players continue to write in it and it's only as interesting as the players make it.

@Holy Soldier

Well, yes, I get what you're saying, but how is that in any way persistent then? If you do not have to adhere to the rules of the one universe, why bother having it in Expanding Horizon at all? If it's just one large jump-in RP, wouldn't that be better for the free section?

I see Expanding Horizons to be one big fandom RP of a series that does not exist. Making it multiverse seems like it would go against the very premise of the idea- not to mention, the section has people who pitched it in the first place. Would it not be better to ask them directly what they think it needs, if anything?

Sidenote, I agree with the notion of moving it down.

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In a Multiverse, the consequences are dictated by the User. Say for example, “You make this dragon slayer who has slayed even dragon gods.” A player may see this character and get inspired to create a dragon god that gives the dragon slayer a hard time. The arena elements then come into play here. A lot of the conflict is handled between players. While ideas may at times contradict and can be pointed out, “Hey, there’s already a faction with said idea maybe you should join it,” seeing as there are so many Rps that occur already with similar ideas, what makes them unique is that they are all ran differently.

The Multiverse is per interactivity because it exists on the players. I have mentioned two types of people in all RP: the writer and the role player. The writer can create the world, characters, NPCs, and basically carry on with little guidance because they are writers. The role player needs a dungeon master because they can’t write without guidance. The Multiverse often has both types. The leading players are the writers who founded the faction, nation, planet, etc and who are leading that group. The role players will often be under said leader and they get their pseudo-DM guidance in that manner.

@Holy Soldier

Is what you're saying not already what it is, though? The moderators review faction proposals and universes so there is no lore contradictions, and at that point GMs are free to do as they wish. It seems like you're arguing for what E.H. already is, as I see it.

But regardless, it was just an idea.

@Holy Soldier

Ideas are not devoid of criticism, keep that in mind. If you propose an idea, I should be able to chime in on it.

I heard that one of the issues with it was that it wasn't really an Open World because there was a story everyone was required to adopt. By making it an open world that people can just "jump-in," I think it would get more life.

@Holy Soldier

At that point, I, again, don't see the point of making it a persistent universe. If you want a standalone story, then you're probably better off making it in casual/advanced/free.

Persistent World

I don't quite see the point of making it a multiverse with jump-in. At that point, it might become a risk that people screw over previous lore by making their own that contradicts other lores. Also, it'd defeat the purpose of making it persistent to begin with. Making something without permanent consequence or interactivity means you may as well start your own RP in free/casual/advanced.

Expanding Horizons is a neat idea, but the Guild doesn't really have the playerbase to support it in a healthy manner. A project like it reminds me a lot of forums dedicated to RPing one specific setting, which often end up failing after a year or two, if they're lucky. There's some exceptions, but those tend to also be incredibly huge, which E.H. isn't.

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

>mistaking a post in the bitching thread as being about you while it was actually about a prior locked thread

The whole point of bitch thread is to be able to vent without attacking someone

don't take it as a personal attack

World-Building Section

@Holy Soldier If I wanted to troll, I would go to spam. I've been asking you the same question over and over and you've been refusing to answer. I'm not being overtly hostile to you, at least not intentionally... well, 'side from the 'offended' comment, and that was in direct response to you calling Arenasnow the same thing.

Seriously though. Dismissing us all as 'trolls' is not making you look better. It just looks like you're closing your ears and shouting 'LALALALA' and I don't like accusing anyone of that, but it sure looks like you are doing that.

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@Holy Soldier

Please, man. answer me.

Why are you continuing to push a narrative when everyone else disagrees?

Sure, it may have become a bit of a circlejerk... but why do you think that is? You're not disproving us, you're dismissing us. We're making valid points and instead of addressing them, you're telling us to get out. I'm not even the first to tell you this.

I'm all for civil discussion. What you're pushing, however, is not civil discussion.

It is an echochamber.

World-Building Section

As I said, if you don't like this discussion, you don't have to be involved in it. Asking the Moderators to shut down this discussion because you don't like it, is just going to have me put up another so that I can have a pleasant conversation without you making it your mission to not contribute but to shut it down.

@Holy Soldier

If you put up another that'll prolly be seen as spam and will just cause it to get locked again as the majority consensus is that, no, this should not happen.

World-Building Section

@Holy Soldier aight, since you chose to gloss over my post, I guess I'll be a bit more detailed.

You're pretending like only a few select people are disagreeing with you on this topic, while I've instead seen pretty much everyone voice their concerns on this proposed section and why it is a bad idea. I, too, am not in favor of cluttering the site with needless sections that have their purposes fulfilled elsewhere. Especially when the section in question is so niche it's hardly worth bothering with at all, as only Advanced-level roleplayers would even consider using it.

Though I don't have anything to say on the matter that hasn't already been said, you need to realise when you're fighting thin air. You're doing nothing but trying to shut down critique of your idea while failing to realise why it's a bad idea to begin with. You're so set in your ways that you don't see you're in the extreme minority.

Fact of the matter is, most of use, if not all of us, don't want this. You wanting this is not going to convince us we want it too. None of the arguments you have presented have convinced anyone other than yourself. You're not only making an issue of a non-issue, but you're also vehemently defending this issue like your life depended on it.

tbh, if anyone's offended, it's you.

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Hopefully now, we can have some civil discussions in here.

@Holy Soldier

Civil discussion or unanimous disagreement?