Dinh AaronMk

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I wish!

@Penny

Clearly you haven't been to Ann Arbor on May Day.

The town is lit up in bright red as we try to summon comrades of the past.

This year we summoned J. Posadas and we went with it and ayy lmao'd.

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@Dinh AaronMk So they got better with pandering in ads. I suppose I agree that's a thing. xP

I don't mean to go in such divisive things. But since I know about it, I feel like I have to bring it up. Because it's important to me to note it.

Another video.

https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2013/3/29/history-lesson/

https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/Debunking-the-Myth-GOP-and-Democrats-Switched-Positions-on-Race

Written by Francis Rice-"Contains things, for sensitive eyes to not read'

From the time of its inception in 1854 as the anti-slavery party, the Republican Party has always been the party of freedom and equality for blacks. The Democratic Party is the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism. Democrats have been running black communities for the past 50+ years, and the socialist policies of the Democrats have turned those communities into economic and social wastelands. Democrats first used brutality and discriminatory laws to stop blacks from voting for Republicans. Democrats now use deception and government handouts to keep blacks from voting for Republicans. In his book, "Dreams From My Father," Obama described what he and other Democrats do to poor blacks as "plantation politics."

The racist Democrats of the 1950's and 1960's that Republicans were fighting died Democrats. One racist Democrat who survived until 2010 was US Senator Robert Byrd, a former recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan. Notably, the Ku Klux Klan was started by Democrats in 1866 and became the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party for the purpose of terrorizing and lynching Republicans—black and white. Byrd became a prominent leader in the Democrat-controlled Congress where he was honored by his fellow Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate."

Byrd, Hillary Clinton's "Mentor", was a fierce opponent of desegregating the military and complained in one letter: "I would rather die a thousand times and see old glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again than see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen of the wilds."

Democrats denounced US Senator Trent Lott for his remarks about US Senator Strom Thurmond. However, there was silence when Democrat US Senator Christopher Dodd praised Byrd as someone who would have been "a great senator for any moment." Thurmond was never in the Ku Klux Klan and, after he became a Republican, Thurmond defended blacks against lynching and the discriminatory poll taxes imposed on blacks by Democrats.

While turning a blind eye to how the Democratic Party embraced Byrd until his death, Democrats regularly lambaste the Republican Party about David Duke, a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

Ignored are the facts that the Republican Party never embraced Duke and when he ran for the Republican Party presidential nomination in 1992, Republican Party officials tried to block his participation.

President Lyndon Johnson feared that the racist Democrats would again form a third party, such as the short-lived States Rights Democratic Party. In fact, Alabama's Democrat Governor George C. Wallace in 1968 started the American Independent Party that attracted other racist candidates, including Democrat Governor Lester Maddox.

Behind closed doors, Johnson said: "These *******, they're getting uppity these days. That's a problem for us, since they got something now they never had before. The political pull to back up their upityness. Now, we've got to do something about this. We've got to give them a little something. Just enough to quiet them down, but not enough to make a difference. If we don't move at all, their allies will line up against us. And there'll be no way to stop them. It'll be Reconstruction all over again."

Little known by many today is the fact that it was Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not Johnson, who pushed through the 1964 Civil Rights Act. In fact, Dirksen was instrumental to the passage of civil rights legislation and Dirksen wrote the language for the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Dirksen also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.

Democrats condemn Republican President Richard Nixon for his so-called "Southern Strategy." These same Democrats expressed no concern when the racially segregated South voted solidly for Democrats for over 100 years, while deriding Republicans because of the thirty-year odyssey of the South switching to the Republican Party.
The "Southern Strategy" that began in the 1970's was an effort by Nixon to get fair-minded people in the South to stop voting for Democrats who did not share their values and were discriminating against blacks. Georgia did not switch until 2004, and Louisiana was controlled by Democrats until the election of Republican Bobby Jindal, a person of color, as governor in 2007. As the co-architect of Nixon's "Southern Strategy", Pat Buchanan provided a first-hand account of the origin and intent of that strategy in a 2002 article posted on the Internet. Buchanan wrote that Nixon declared that the Republican Party would be built on a foundation of states' rights, human rights, small government and a strong national defense. Nixon said he would leave it to the Democratic Party to squeeze the last ounce of political juice out of the rotting fruit of racial injustice.

@SleepingSilence

All this conjecture validating party identity fails to account for what Vilage has invoked, in his posts: those trends where voting blocs can and do change. But I doubt in listening to people rant and rave on YouTube and who believe the DNC makes secret necromantic rituals to summon the ghost of Karl Marx or Pierre-Joseph Proudhon you would have heard of it.

We may be in a sixth swing. Or still in the New Deal Born Fifth.

It's kind of like saying Rome was a Republic when it was an Empire because Rome was a Republic before it was an Empire.

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@Dinh AaronMk
I'm not absolutely stating that person's intentions, though I highly doubt someone could say that without some hedonistic angle to it, especially since he was often a liar, though I am with many of the other people that have said similar things that are completely glossed over. Just noting I already posted a video about this, but the parties didn't switch ideologies or sides. Maybe you just mean people can change their opinion and you're implying that's what he did. And I agree with that sentiment, but in this day of irrational political belief, you cannot change yourself or the evils of racism. (As I had already discussed once before.)

Also now suddenly people are actually siting sources for things while talking? Better late than never...

@SleepingSilence

No, parties can and do change. It's in the historical record that the Democratic part was - at least in the South - the party of slavery, where as the Republican Party was what would be today's civil rights party. But since Kennedy and the alienation of southern voters via the Civil Rights act the South switched to the Republican party and picked up the mannerisms and coarse of action of the old-party Democratic conservatives in the regions.

The whole dichotomy is easily visually expressed in comparative ads.

1860's Democrats:



1960's Democrats:



In the space of a century the party changed considerably in a north-lead re-alignment and in a matter of speaking became what the Republican Party under Lincoln and Grant.

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Says a bad word in caption?

This is why I take none of this political chatter remotely seriously. :D

If you did literally any research at all, you'd know what kind of man this dude was. But lul meme. Not like I posted a reddit of someone going into further detail. (Though he did defend the person, in saying as likely as true a statement or paraphase it might have been, it also doesn't shine a pure negative light.) Which astounds me, but it's reddit a place proven to have down voting bots, used by the administers themselves. And nor will I bother posting the six hundred other people that have been caught with true intentions of pandering...

@SleepingSilence

I'm not going to deny LBJ was a casual racist, but the fact of the matter is actually digging into the quote's history you don't come up with much credit behind it. You get one guy who said LBJ said it to some governors, and since they weren't identified it's difficult to corroborate the story the Johnson ever made the quip. The position that Johnson was more afraid of him having given the entire south over to the Republican Party has more weight than the loose allegory that he said he'd get niggers voting Democrat for two-hundred years.

Meeting notes during the Johnson era and minutes from cabinet meetings at the time of his ascendancy also supports the notion that he wasn't into it for cold political maneuvering and was as into it as his predecessor was and certainly fought to get it through. And as shrewd a political navigator as Lyndon Johnson was, he would have sensed that passing civil rights legislation would alienate many of the white voters in the South who were the Vanguard of the Old Party (yes, believe or not: party ideology does shift).

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Well don't take my word for it. I can pull up half a dozen more if you like, or we can chuckle about how just a few months ago y'all were celebrating Obama pulling us out of the recession for much paltrier gains.

@mdk

Emotional spirits, that is all. Stock Market trends rely on the outlook of bankers in the system and investment bureaus who think something will turn out good and in the spirit of positive or negative feelings will invest likewise and kick off a trend. The Stock Market isn't a good indicator of on-the-ground progress in jobs creation, national output, and other more physical measures of how the nation is doing from a economic point of view. It may or will keep highscores going for a while as spirits are up, but should no returns be made stock values will inevitably dip as the honey moon spirit is lost. It doesn't indicate that there's been an immediate shift in the physical productive economy at, and is like judging a person as being wealthy or not by asking him if he's in a glass half-full or glass half-empty mood.

The truth of the matter is that corporate policy moves at a tectonic pace like government, and the only effective and immediate effect Trump has on the job market is giving the green-light to hire in more people in government jobs. But as it stands Congress does and always has controlled the purse strings so Trump can't actively hire on a few thousand more people into federal jobs without first giving the appropriate resources from Congress, he has to otherwise cut in proportion elsewhere.

But, you know, if you don't actually want to chase down other sources and want self confirming information at a finger-click: fine by me. But really, stopping to first consider he wasn't so much as president until the 20th of January then simply by that he's still falling short, using Bureau of Labor Statistic reports. There's also the sticky situation that the previous two months figures aren't totally final and are still an estimation until they finalize those for this month's mid-month review of jobs added, so the number so far can change drastically.

We also have to stop and consider that the shit he's taking credit for happened well before he took office. The Ford job creation announcement came at the end of 2015 deal made with the UAW, not with Trump. Here's the transcript. Full scoop here.

The merger of Charter with Time Warner Cable will add 20,000 jobs; which I recall right Trump took some credit for. However, this is a deal that goes back as far as 2015 with the final announcement made well before the election wrapped up in 2016.

And the 45,000+ jobs creation program by Exxon was started in 2013, Reuters reports.

An Intel deal to build a new factory in Arizona was initiated in 2011.

GM job creation announcements make no mention of Trump, and comes following action taken by the company in 2016 and 2009.

The source you gave doesn't even touch on or acknowledge the glacial pace at which things move and mostly settles itself on stock market feels with fifty CEOs with no conclusive plan revealed to actually physically do anything. If we're going to credit Trump for job creation it'd be years down the line, since so often development plans and action on the corporate front are rarely ever done in an instant and get dragged out over long periods. Everything Trump is trying to take credit for in this first semester of his first year was already decided on with or without him and is the part of post-recession momentum.

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Crediting Trump - or any president really - with job creation may by very imprudent.

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President B. Lyndon Johnson: 'I'll Have Those N*****s Voting Democratic for 200 Years'

@SleepingSilence

Nice meme

Stellvia Reboot - a freeform Sci-Fi/Near-future NRP

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It actually functions, so yes. There hasn't been a traffic jam since I added the second huge roundabout that actually feeds into the city.

@Keyguyperson

tfw no one here understands a roundabout.

So they put three in a row by the highway.

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I made, like, a huge interchange in Cities Skylines. It's the best interchange in the history of interchanges, maybe ever.

_{it costs 3k in road maintenance alone}

@Keyguyperson

Better than some of the infrastructure around here.

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tfw spent the last half of my working night cleaning up a mess when someone tore open the sprinkler system trying to put a loaded pallet into the over-head. In the electrical department too. Shit was rad.

/banter

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Aboard the Secret Service

Abe leaned against the door as he looked in, perplexed towards his guest's hunger. With him, a motley collection of his fellow crew stood watching the anonymous alien scarf down entire meals. He ate with what seemed to be a ravenous hunger. It was almost a cartoon.

“Did we tell him it was really all you can eat?” someone whispered in earshot of Abe. He turned towards the speaker and shrugged indifferently. The speaker returned the gesture with a still inquisitive look, still searching for answers.

Thus far, the alien human had put down four whole sausages – in buns – two hamburgers, a third a roast, a bucket of ice-cream, and only just started slowing when he went for chips. Sucking on a soda along the way. Abe was reluctantly thankful that he had not found the dispensers in the commissary, where his meals were being retrieved from.

Tucked away in the medical cordon of the ship, the medics had wanted to perform examinations on him. When inspecting him for signs of disease he complained to them that he was feeling starved, and in fears over how long he had been adrift alone any and all food that could be mustered was brought to him, mustard and all.

Though he was only one, and unlikely to go through their entire on-board food supply – hydroponics included – there was a spreading feeling that if there were more of his race on board they would easily need to report into the nearest Stockpile to be resupplied before they would have otherwise thought it necessary. But what part of this was biological to his king, or some kind of emotional response to stress was up in the air.

As he slowed eating, and looked up to notice everyone watching a nervous blush bloomed in his face. “I, uh- I'm sorry...” he said nervously, smiling sheepishly.

“Well it's good to see you haven't lost your appetite.” Abe said in amazement.

The alien nodded in agreement, looking the other way. Really, it was amazing both parties could communicate, granted both talked slow to each other to avoid any miscommunication. “So are you done?” Abe asked.

The alien human nodded. He never seemed to relax, and set in a different setting altogether appeared nervous and all together alert. A physical examination by the doctors was very intense due in part to this stress.

His long purple hair fell about his narrow rounded face in messy treads and ropes of greasy barely kempt locks. His likewise violet eyes had a nervous tense look to them as they darted about. Much the rest of his features were narrow and tightly set, made worse by furled brows and a nearly greedy, beaver like brooding of his food. He scratched compulsively at his arms and hands.

“OK.” he said, turning to dismiss his companions, “I think we should talk.”

The Ziani looked up at him with wide eyes and stammered incoherently. Shirking back as Abe sat down across from the examination table.

Unlike most of the living quarters of the ship, the medical bay had not been outfitted with the alien wood, much like engineering and maintenance. It retained a stark sterile look with highly polished stainless steel and linoleum finish. Computer terminals and cabinets of medical examination equipment lined the walls, and small thickly pained windows looked out at the space that slowly moved as the hull rotated.

“So, first question: who are you?”

The Ziani froze, blathered, and hesitated answering. Abe had thought to sweeten the deal, “You tell me, I'll tell you.”

The offer did something better, and the hesitating threat of danger seemed to wane substantially. “Tsimatsu Sun.” he answered, and looked up at Abe apprehensively.

“Abraham Norowitz,” Abe said to him, “I run this ship.”

“So you're the captain?”

“In a sense, no. No one's the captain. But they do look up to me.” he answered, “They seem to trust me with some of the big things and answers.” he added with a smile.

Tsimatsu looked at him stunned, “How does this even work?” he said, aghast.

“Plenty of trust.” Abe laughed, with a dismissive wave of the hand, “Most beings we've met don't need leaders per-say. The by-and-by functions of life can go on without command, order without orders. We're a people of equals.”

“But, back to you.” Abe continued, returning to the line of questioning, “Where are you from?”

Again, the question made him hesitate and falter. He took several moments to answer, and when he did it was nervous; almost as if he was looking for a way out. “Saigonoseiiki. What is this? Who are you? Am I captive!?”

Abe dismissed him. “No, you're still a free man.” he comforted, “Your aboard the Secret Service, part of the Free Fairer Society. We just rescued you from space.”

Tsimatsu thought to that, and shuddered terrified. He squirmed a little further from the nearest window and took a deep breath and unconsciously scratched at the back of his neck. “You don't need to worry yourself, we're not about to dump you out there again. And you don't need to answer this either: but what were you doing out here?”

“What were you?” the Zaini asked.

“Taking a break and charging our cells. Our power reserves were too low to make a jump out and we were holding off and enjoying the view.”

“And how didn't we notice you?” he asked.

Abe nodded towards space, “That gas giant probably helped. It's been throwing up some hell in interference. I'm honestly surprised we caught the signal. Then again, the planet may have bent it around to us, you never know.” he dismissed the rest of it with a shrug.

Tsimatsu nodded warily. “We were exploring.”

“For?”

“I was never told.”

“Understood. Do you want to go back home I take it?”

Tsimatsu thought about it. “Well... I... Yes, but...”

“But?”

“I don't know if I could. I got away from disaster, someone may read it as a battle, maybe. I would have been a survivor, one who retreated. If they...”

“Found the Black Box, would it help if we retrieved it?”

“You would be hunted down...”

“We can destroy it.”

“How?”

“We have a gas giant and an old star. Either will do the trick.”

“Why would you?”

“Isn't what you're implying, or trying to say is that if you came home and they thought you were a coward you'd be killed?”

“Not reall- no, maybe?”

Abe shrugged. “Either way, what do you need us to do? Want us to grab it and you can return home with it; the maybe-victor of disaster? The last lone survivor to tell the tale. Then, maybe destroying any recorder would leave your story the only one there is left.”

Tsimatsu groaned, dropping his head he rubbed at his temples and mumbled to himself. “I don't know.” he said.

“How about this: I'll set you up with a bed, you can rest on it, and we'll grab the black box. It can be pitched into the nearest star at any time you like. What do you think?”

“I think- I think I need to lay down.” Tsimatsu agreed.

“Good thinking.”