Eddie Brock

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I will say, though, that while on an emotional level it will always bother me if they don't bring back "With great power...", intellectually I do love watching them squirm, right? So we had:

Raimi: "With great power comes great responsibility."

Then:

Webb: "Your father believed that if you could do something to help people, it was your duty to do those things."

And then:

MCU: "Because when you can do things I can, and you don't? And then the bad things happen? They happen because of you."

So I can only assume the next reboot will be something like: "Wherefore as a person or persons is possessed of some unique capabilities, and being so possessed has the agency with which to enact change, they should and must then comport themselves in a manner displaying all due responsibility of such a station."

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A good deal about what made Spider-Man such a hit was how relatable he was. Stan Lee said he created Peter Parker because he wanted a character for his young reader-base to identify with.

Obviously, Spidey is such a well written character with such a colorful supporting cast and rogues gallery that relatability isn't necessary to make his movies engaging and interesting. But him being a teenager is the core appeal. And modern day teenagers (most of them) don't live in a world with Raimi or even Webb's versions of Flash Thompson. They're caricatures of the often violent and insane bullies we saw in older films in the eighties and early nineties. It's hard to pull that off and expect a modern, young audience to be pulled in like your older viewers would be.

I'm not saying the reboot was necessarily successful- but the idea behind it isn't wholly without merit.

@Superboy

The idea behind it may not be without merit, but there are still plenty of athletic, attractive assholes in high school. There comes a point where reimagining a character crosses a line to "This is a totally different idea, but we need a recognizable name, so shoehorn it in." That's all my original point was. And I get what you're saying that you can't throw the baby out with the bathwater; but if you're finding yourself stretching the adaptations so far that you are rewriting the supporting cast wholesale... shouldn't you ask yourself if you really want to be doing an adaptation at all?

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I dunno, I don’t think they’re dated if they work. Spider-Man (Peter, specifically) has probably the best supporting cast in comics, and I think the MCU kinda fudged themselves by trying to shove them aside and give us new, much lesser alternatives.

@GreenGrenade

MCU Spidey is positively terrified of even sniffing a rehash of anything. Everything has to be different for difference's sake. Can't (directly) mention Uncle Ben. (Because God knows, say, the Batman movies have never returned to the "dead parents" well. Once you've told an origin, that's it! You may never mention it again.) Can't use the line "With great power comes great responsibility." Can't go back to the Daily Bugle. Can't have the Osborns. Can't have Spider-Man web-swinging through Manhattan.

Homecoming is a good movie. And in time, the MCU Spider-Man series may go back on some of these things; particularly since everything has to be watching the "evolution" of a character. (Because who wants the full version of the character anyway, amirite?) But when people say it's the definitive Spider-Man movie, I have to stop and wrap my head around it for a second...

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What's that? Discussing the Homecoming supporting cast? How did this can of worms get here? The central problem I have with it is that the supporting cast is written like a bad RPG writer who shoehorns references even when they don't fit, just to sneak an established name in there. (Hey, that kettle over there looks pretty black; maybe I should say something...)

Seriously, though. Ned is just Ganke. But they didn't want to use the name Ganke, so eh, just take a name from elsewhere in the supporting cast gallery. Who cares? (Hint: this guy.) Michelle is a fine character, but there's no reason to call her MJ; even if you try to walk it back and pretend it was just a wink. If Flash Thompson is going to share absolutely nothing in common with his comic counterpart except that they're both dicks to Peter, then why not give him his own identity? Even the little girl on the morning show has to be called Betty Brandt, even that though defies all logic. (Sure, I'm splitting hairs on that one, but it's a symptom of the "disease.")

There's an almost pathological fear in inventing new characters, even though characters created outside the comic pages have sometimes done just fine for themselves. Harley Quinn, to name the obvious one. Phil Coulson, to stick within the MCU.

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@Superboy I dunno I just didn't find him that menacing.

@Sep

>crushes a man's head with a car door for interrupting a date
>"didn't find him that menacing"

I think @Superboy's got me covered here:

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@Superboy

That being said, I do love me some Michael Clarke Duncan Kingpin. Two valid (and awesome) takes on the same character, IMO.

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I did a thing in MB's Create-A-Post thread over on the Hype.

I apologize for nothing.

@AndyC

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Topher Grace - Venom
Ben Affleck - Daredevil
Brendan Routh - Superman
Brendan Routh - Iron Man Atom
Eric Bana - Bruce Banner
Julian McMahon - Dr. Doom
Chris O'Donnell - Robin
Halle Berry - Catwoman
David Hasselhoff - Nick Fury
Tommy Lee Jones - Two-Face
Spiraling CGI Space Cloud - Galactus

Am I doing this right?

@Retired

Well, at least Hasselhoff is right.

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Well, the Raimi trilogy gave us not just the definitive J. Jonah Jameson, as stated above, but also the definitive Aunt May in the form of Rosemary Harris. (And Cliff Robertson's Uncle Ben, for that matter.)

Josh Keaton's voice just is Spider-Man to me now.

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As far as Cap and the Lantern rings go, @Master Bruce got it in one. He might've made a fine Blue back in the forties, but that hopefulness has long since burned away and left a man getting by on raw willpower and determination.

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It's not even a formal vote, really. Just presenting a case for the other side of the issue. I'm not seriously going to sit here and tell the other kids, "No, you can't play in the sandlot!" just because I'm still at home tying up my laces.

Besides, honestly: what's the point in voting? You just abstain, then complain about the horrible things happening that you could have helped prevent. Duh. #millenials