Fabricant451

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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whoa hold the phone -- you watched the rally? Nobody does that anymore. Hats off. Respect level up.

So what do YOU think about it?

@mdk

I think he's not a great public speaker but that's a petty little jab. The way he spoke at this rally in particular didn't really do anything other than reinforce the things people have been saying ever since he took office. It doesn't come off as someone Presidential but someone trying to sell ice to Eskimo's. Having to say how honest he is after saying how CNN and other places are turning the cameras off (when that's not the case) all before fellating Fox News because they agree with him all the time is clear bias and suggests that the guy can't take criticism.

I don't even necessarily disagree with some of the things he said. The media turns a blind eye to gang violence unless it involves a cop doing the shooting or being shot - and just reporting on the violence in, say, certain neighborhoods in Chicago doesn't get attention unless it's "COP SHOT IN GANG VIOLENCE".

A lot of the rally comes off as an 'us against them' because that's what it is. It's one man speaking to a modest crowd of people who already agree with everything he does. He chooses his words for maximum response be it from the raucous applause or for the hot takes from articles, such as when he calls illegal immigrants 'animals' and the dismissive way he says 'can you believe we fight for other countries' or how he smugly hinted at his pardoning of Joe Arpaio to a crowd that sees absolutely nothing wrong with how Joe Arpaio did anything.

But he's also vague about things and just saying that 'we're doing good, by the way it's going good' because to those gathered there they don't really need proof. Just the words and promise and suggestion that things have done better and are better. The rally is full of exaggerations and blatant false statements but again that doesn't matter because the people he's speaking to won't care enough to check and take it all at face value. He knows what he's doing, he knows who he's speaking to, and he knows that the things he says will likely just get taken out of context (they were) and will only further his claims and fervent support.

I think that Trump is a poor leader but he knows how to instigate. And this rally was like a way for Trump to suck his own dick while his supporters use it as a way to suggest how #winning their guy is because he is controlling the narrative and further pushing the 'us vs them' rhetoric.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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Oh more than that. But here's the highlight. If you wanna know what he's railing against, it might be helpful to listen to his actual words. Take a gander.

@mdk

I mean I already did so

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

There's no basis for these claims.

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

I mean...

Yes there is?

This isn't people slinging a word with no basis. There are hysterics, yes, but the guy has exhibited some questionable tendencies, to put it nicely.

Can you provide an example of violating checks and balances?

I can provide examples of him strongly disliking and not respecting checks and balances because it keeps him from doing anything he wants or 'winning', yes.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

Still, though, the distinction there is present as a european, and it's very strange to see, what I would just consider 'right wing extremists' being called nazi's, because that would most certainly not fly here due to the historical connotation that stuff has, ESPECIALLY in the continent that, like, yknow, actually dealt with nazi's.

@Odin

That's totally fair. It's just easy to paint in broad strokes when one side doesn't shy away from the term and has a somewhat prominent member quoting Nazi propaganda, denouncing Jews, and doing the Nazi salute.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

But I hope you know that just because their side has nazi's doesn't make that entire side bad, evil or god forbid nazi's themselves.

@Odin

Just because the other side has antifa doesn't make the entire side bad, evil or god forbid antifa themeselves.

Antifa and the white supremacists/nazis are two extremes and I don't throw in with either of them.

If America's 'white supremacists' and whatever we call those people are 'nazi's' now then the 1939-1945 fascists must've been space marines because I still find the equation between the two entirely unreasonable, lol. Whatever you guys have in the USA, they're definitely not nazi's, but more like.. idk, cheap water filtrated knock-off nazi's. Probably a result of all the inbreeding.

@Odin

It's calling a spade a spade here. If people want to go around holding the Nazi flag, using Nazi terminology (incorrectly or otherwise), and putting on swastika armbands and shouting about the genocide of white men and yelling about faggots then what else should they be called? Misguided angry people?

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

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Can you direct me to an example of fascism displayed by the current President of the United States?

@The Harbinger of Ferocity

At his rally in Phoenix he spent nearly twenty minutes talking about the media and how it's crooked and unfair to him in regards to Charlottesville. The fact that he is having a rally while not campaigning is strange. Also at said rally he mentioned shutting down government to build the wall and is only now backing down. Really respecting checks and balances. He's also willing to overlook human rights violations if it helps his cause, like targeting the family of terrorists in a very guilt by association manner. Using scapegoats to unify those who agree with him against those against - usually done with buzzwords like 'communist' and 'immigrant' and 'democrat'. Suggesting police be rougher with suspects/protesters as well as overlooking criminal abuse by police - look no further than the Joe Arpaio situation for that.

It sets a bad precedent when the President is holding rallies to drum up support for his supporters only on the back of being a man known to lie and manipulate and cry foul when challenged. He lumps people that protest into the same category of anarchists.

He's not literally actually a fascist but he's showing tendencies of a fascist regime which has the more hysterical sorts responding.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

The President might not be responsible for the rise of the 'alt-left' but he certainly hasn't helped the situation. Weirdly when someone in a position of power starts demonstrating things reminiscent of fascism, people start claiming said person in power is possibly a fascist. There's been a stupid and weird 'war' between left and right since before the election, only before the election it was from right side shit stirrers up in arms over lefties wanting to get rid of free speech because they dare to say that saying nigger and faggot and words like that are not cool. It was a lot of Chicken Little shit and now that they have a disorganized mess of a group like Antifa running around it's like vindication.

I don't think Antifa is going about it correctly at all but it's hard for me to think of them as worse than, you know, white supremacists and Nazis. And saying they're equally bad is disingenuous.

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