Legend

Myriad Reality

@Legend

I'm afraid the only response I can give to your objection is "You're obviously wrong". I don't know how to make myself any more clear than 'there is no substantive difference between 'evil is taxes' and 'art is dancing'': I'll try again when I understand you better.

Or not. I don't think it's going to be useful if we keep talking about language: I'm beginning to think our differences are too great to easily reconcile.

Anyways: is there anything I can do to be useful? I'm ready to believe that it's this Kirina who tried to kill everyone here, and so I figure this is as good a reason as any to invoke the exception to my Pilgrimage.

@PentagonWhite

If you are unaware of the concept of a darksoul, then you are both objectively incorrect and choosing ignorance over understanding. As for Kirina, the only course of action is to wait.

Myriad Reality

@Legend

Art can also be consistently objectively defined, even if definitions differ. I could define art as 'something which the creator intended to convey meaning through methods besides language', or 'objects which evoke emotions which would be identified by the one experiencing it as 'awe' or 'admiration' or 'melancholy'.'. Art could also be prescriptive: 'Art is the result of dancing, singing, painting or sculpting, and nothing else'.

None of these definitions are any more or less subjective than 'evil is performing an unwanted action on an unwilling participant' or 'evil is the termination of a living organism for whatever reason' or 'evil is the character of actions which reduce the overall utility of Creation.'.

Of course, this is all assuming that we mean the same thing when we say 'objective' or 'subjective' an assumption which I am sure, just like with the words art or evil, is incorrect. I am sure, of course, that you have a very useful definition for the words 'soul' and 'evil', that goes without saying. It might be more fruitful to ask, "What has she done after her inception, to evidence the assertion that she's evil. And why is she trying to kill you all?"

@PentagonWhite

Those are very vague and cannot be measured, and even your hypothetical definition of evil, though I disagree with it, is more clearly defined than your hypothetical definitions of art. Kirina wants to kill us because we are a threat.

Myriad Reality

@PentagonWhite

I'd also like to mention that sometimes the source material isn't exactly representative of reality. The profile picture is a best guess.

In addition, it's worth noting that IC, it isn't particularly considered an RP or even an ARG. Existence is designed to encompass every world, including ours, meaning that we're more channelers of what happens rather than the authors of reality.

Myriad Reality

@Legend

*I laugh, but take careful note of the explanation, attention rapt around the room.*

I'm surprised you were reluctant to define art, but use words like 'evil' and 'soul'. I never would have guessed that joules per second could carry moral thinking. Regardless, I assume that our definitions are similar for the former, at least: she sounds like someone who would be better off not existing.

@PentagonWhite

Mhm. Evil is a significantly less abstract concept than art. It at least may be consistently objectively defined, even if definitions may differ. Souls are also quite material.

Myriad Reality

@whizzball1

Oh, so you did decide to go with fire.

Myriad Reality

@Stabby@Legend

So, who is this Kirina then? Besides 'violent', I mean.

@PentagonWhite

An evil creature formed from the power collected in the souls of a million evil beings. I have little more information.

Myriad Reality

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*sarcasm becomes noticeable in my voice as well, though it's gone by the second sentence.*

As yes, that would work, in fact you might be able to sit down with her and have a cup of tea afterwords. But sadly she would still be interested in killing us all once that was done, from what little I've seen.

@Stabby

*Chuckles*

Myriad Reality

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Ah so you've actually defined what's been changed? Are you referring just to the assertion of the philotes, or is there more that I can find somewhere?

@PentagonWhite

I'm only referring to the concept of philotes. Because there are underlying sub-quantum components, they have no definition in modern physics—therefore, physical laws can be altered ever so slightly as long as the change falls under the scope of philotic connections. There's also Code, but that isn't directly manipulated.

Myriad Reality

@Stabby

I, of course, yield to the more experienced parties here.

*Sarcasm slips into my voice, a jocular, irreverent tone.*

Though, it does raise the question: if cooperating with our guardian would lead to defeat, cooperating with the one trying to kill us might save us, no?

@PentagonWhite

Kirina is not interested in cooperation.

Myriad Reality

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I have to agree with data here. In a fight on this scale, messing with either party without the consent and cooperation of the one trying to keep us alive would most likely end up dooming us to the fate you are trying to avoid.

@Stabby

*Nods*
There is an equilibrium that would be tipped in a direction if interfered with. In addition, the personalities of the fighters make it impossible to challenge the current way it is proceeding.