mattmanganon

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@Sep Right, well, since nobody else seems to be interested in Spider-Man, would I still be allowed Judas Traveller and Kaine? If so, then am I allowed to have Peter out of the New York picture for the moment? I kinda like the idea of throwing Kaine into Peter's life and trying to be him for a while. It leads to a great many story opportunities, like how Aunt May and Mary-Jane are coping, how Jameson warms up to this new attitude of Peter's and maybe how the other superheroes work with him being quite a bit darker than the Peter Parker they came to know and love. Then, if someone wants to play Peter, we can have him make his spectacular return and go into the effects it has on all in question suddenly changing back.

Alien / Predator RP?

@Belle Sure, I've been wanting to play a Predator in a situation for quite some time. What did you have in mind for Story?

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@Sep I assumed that @Chaotic Chao was going to be playing him. That is, assuming he is still interested in joining us.

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@Sep Am I still good to join in with Judas Traveller and Kaine?

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Wow, that kinda came out of no-where. Shit. Well, maybe we can get something similar going in the future. Dammit, why do all of the ones that I get excited for fail before they even start?

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@Chaotic Chao If you are looking for a character to play that would give a link to both the Avengers and the insanity that is the Spider-based portion of this RP, I would recommend Doctor Strange. Primarily because I would love another Sorcerer for Judas to scuffle with.

@Dedonus I don't want to play Spidey, I'm going to be a little hung-up on playing Judas and Kaine. That being said, whoever does get him, I will want to talk and work out how we make this work to its best.

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@Dedonus Can you look over the Judas sheet i've put up so far and tell me what you think? I think i've ironed out the stuff that directly contradicts with your stuff, except for the part where I need to add in that Jackle helped him/he helped Jackle with the experiments.

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Judas Traveller

Player Name: Mattmanganon
Alias: Judas Traveller
Real Name: N/A
Moral Alignment: Walking The Line.
Affiliation: Formerly US Army. Formerly Sgt Fury's Howling Commando's. Currently leading an army of Superhero clones.
Character Origin & Backstory: Very little is known about Traveller's past, the first time he officially showed up was in 1919, as a medical scientist, trying to cure the German Measles epidemic. He was successful in curing his patients, although he was doing so using magic, unable to effectively come up with a medical cure. It was soon after that he was drafted by the US government and in 1923 when he was drafted to become personal Physician/Bodyguard of President Coolidge, proceeding to serve at the same post under Presidents Hoover and Roosevelt. After the success of the Captain America project, but the unfortunate assassination of Dr Erskine, Traveller was put in charge or replicating the success. When he was unsuccessful and D-Day approached, he was drafted to the front, joining the super-powered individuals under Sgt Fury, a squad that would become known as the "Howling Commando's"

During the war, the Commando's performed tasks that no other member of the armed forces could hope to achieve without massive losses, Sgt Fury leading the crack team of Captain America, James Howlette (Later becoming known as the Wolverine), a genetically augmented Soviet Supersoldier by the name of Omega Red, a sentient robot that could manipulate fire, by the name of "Human Torch", an Atlantean called "Namor" and Britain's Electrokinetic Super-Man, Union Jack. After the War, Traveller had been rather disturbed by what he had found in the German Concentration Camps. He disappeared from public view.

Over the years, Traveller made fleeting appearances, the first was in 1968 when he appeared in the My Lai region of Vietnam and slaughtered the entire US 23rd Infantry Division as they attempted to carry out a mass slaughter of civilians. According to the witnesses, he was not alone, he was aided by several beings, one of which was wearing red stripes. Coroner's reported that a number of the bodies were killed in a multitude of ways including shot, stabbed, electrocuted and several had no clear signs of death, as though they had had their lives stripped from them. Another appearance that caused quite a stir was on November 9th 1989, when he was in a video shot of the Berlin Wall being torn down.

Traveller didn't make a grand re-appearance until a year ago, when he created Kaine, a clone of Spider-Man in order to join him in his quest to protect the people of the world from mass murder. Unfortunately, Traveller was unable to control him, Kaine almost killed Traveller in his escape from his lab. Traveller then went to his old Sgt and told Fury about his plan and the rogue Kaine. Fury immediately wanted to incarcerate Traveller, but remembered from their old days that doing so would prove almost impossible and so decided to keep Traveller close to him until he could find a way to do so. Although, Traveller was playing Fury as well. Fury believed that Traveller was aboard the Helicarrier, when he was, in fact back at his lab, creating another clone by mixing Spider-Man's DNA with that of his old squad-mate, Omega Red. The resulting creation became known as Spidercide. Traveller released Spidercide onto the city to retrieve Kaine, but the creature was unsuccessful. Traveller's situation went from bad to worse, when it turned out that S.H.I.E.L.D. had tracked Spidercide back to him. His lab was invaded and he was forced to escape. One of his older experiments fell into S.H.I.E.L.D. hands ((NOTE: Contents of experiment to be decided at a later date.))

Traveller then dropped off the map again, presumably going underground, but he and Kaine are now at the top of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s most wanted.

Powers and Abilities:

Vast amount of Magic power (Be it throwing fire-balls, Telekinesis, teleporting or casting illusions, Traveller's magic potential rival's, but by no means surpasses, Doctor Strange)
Kestrel Transformation (Traveller is able to transform into the form of a Kestrel)
Mind Reading (Has the ability to read minds, however, this power can be fooled by those who have mental training in resisting such techniques, like Nick Fury)

Sample Story Arcs:

Clone Saga (The one that commissioned as well as performed the cloning experiments.)
The Ongoing Redback Epidemic (Kingpin has created a new drug by the name of "Redback" that grants the user 10 minutes of Spider-Senses. The drug is becoming an epidemic, causing mental breakdowns in people that use it for long enough, whilst granting criminals the ability to anticipate every danger to them)

Rules: There are no rules as of yet.

Sample Post

This is a post to use as an example for both Judas and Kaine.

Kaine stared at the warehouse, then at the letter he had received. "Come to Warehouse #8 at midnight if you want your answers." Kaine seethed silently. "Bastard..." he grunted. He then jumped down and web shot out, allowing him to swing into an open window, landing on a metal grating. He looked down into the center of the warehouse. Several large boxes moved around, a light shone down from the ceiling and that's where he was. Judas Traveller. The man that had symultaniously created and destroyed his life. "TRAVELLER!!!" Kaine roared, vaulting the catwalk and diving upon Traveller. Although, just as his foot was about to make contact, there was a puff of smoke and Kaine's Spider-Senses blared, as Kaine landed on all 4's, looking back at the smoke to see Traveller had barely moved, only now, he was stood looking back at him.

"My Child, I can understand your frustrations, but first, you must understand mine." he said, as he poofed into smoke again as Kaine sent webbing at him, before appearing on Kaine's opposite side. "I am trying to create a better world, a world that is free of massacre, where people need not live in fear that they are to be killed for no other reason than because they share the same skin colour as some criminal that they have never met before. Kaine lunged his hand out at Judas, trying to use his signature "Mark of Kaine" attack, but once again, Judas teleported. "Please, Kaine, let us talk like civilized beings." he said. Kaine stood and analysed the situation. There was no concievable way to hit Judas at the moment, as he was expecting these attacks.

"Alright, you old bastard, we'll play the game your way." Kaine said, standing at ease. Judas smiled and clapped his hands together.

"Excellent." he replied. He snapped his fingers and a table appeared in the middle of the room a hot, roast dinner on each side of the table. "Please, join me for dinner." he said, sitting down and tucking the napkin into his collar. Kaine didn't move. Judas sighed. "My dear boy, I think it's rather obvious that if this was a ploy to capture you, then I would do so and you would stand little chance to resist." Kaine moved towards the table and sat down across from him. "There we go." Kaine sat and stared at him. "You know, you can remove your mask. It's not as though you need to hide your identity." Kaine pulled the mask down, allowing his face to be free'd. Judas began to eat.

"What's your game, old man?" Kaine asked, prodding a carrot with his fork, before eating it.

"My game is freedom and security for man. Not one man, nor a group of men, but all men." he said, between mouthfuls of pea's. "You see..." he sat and chewed his food for a second to think of a way to put it to Kaine that wouldn't result in the Clone in going berserk and start attacking him. "I may be performing awful acts... But what would you have me do? I saw what happened in the Concentration camps, the 6 million that died in awful conditions, who deserved so much better, who deserved to grow old, to cradle their children or grand-children... Are you telling me that I am a monster for wanting to create a ruined life, such as yours, to help save those people."

"And did you ever stop for a second to think about the lives of your soldiers?" Asked Kaine. Judas didn't look up from his food.

"Of course, but as I said, it is one life, specifically yours, vs the life of those 6 million Jews... There was 1 choice. And unfortunately, you got the short end of the stick." Kaine slammed his fist on the table.

"OF COURSE, BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH DAMN EASIER WHEN YOU ARE THROWING AWAY SOMEONE ELSES LIFE!!!" Judas picked up the bottle of wine as it rattled and was about to fall. He then reached over and filled Kaine's glass, before filling his own.

"Don't get me wrong, I would say the same were it my life." he replied, before drinking from his glass, he dabbed up a little trickle of wine from his lips using his napkin. "And I do so, I assume that you have looked into my activities, you will know of my actions in Vietnam."

"400 dead soldiers." he said.

"In return for the lives of over 500 women and children. Oh yes, I do not regret my decision and would never choose to do otherwise, yet it was me who was branded traitor. Me who can never again return to my homeland to live and work, to have a family. Do not think that yours is the only life sacrificed in pursuit of my goals. People like to forget that with the mustache-twirling villains such as myself, our lives are the first to be sacrificed to our cause. I have loved ones, I still do, but I can never truly be with them" he said, staring at a carrot, before eating it as he finished.

"But... What of the loved ones of those soldiers?" Kaine asked. "Their mothers, fathers, wives, sons, daughters, you are destroying more lives." Judas let out an exhale as he sat up and looked Kaine in the eyes.

"Emotional distress. They will get over it." Judas said.

"Like I did." Kaine said, dropping the knife and fork on the plate and crossing his arms.

"Especially considering that the loved ones they mourn are murderers and rapists." Judas looked up at Kaine and smiled. "Do I give you the impression that I am one of their number?" Kaine merely stared daggers back. "Look. I don't expect you to accept or agree with what I have done, but I do expect you to appreciate that EVERYTHING I have done was done to assist Humanity."

"Humanity, yes, but not for the tools that you use to assist humanity." Kaine downed his drink before getting up, pulling his mask back up to cover his face and beginning to walk away.

"You barely touched your food." Judas said, staring at the still rather full plate.

"Not hungry... I think me and Pete have something to discuss." Kaine said, looking back. "And depending on how that goes, you may have to start watching your back more fervently." Judas raised his glass to Kaine.

"Just keep me in mind, please. As much as you hate me, I can't help but think of you as a sort of a son. You are always welcome at my door." he called, he waited for some kind of reply, but it didn't come. As soon as Kaine had dropped back out of the window, Kaine would hear the old man's voice shout "Until next we meet."

The Traveller has arrived.

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@Dedonus Alright. It's just that I am a man that believes that if you are going to do a remake, then don't do a remake of something that was great, because we already have a great version of is being remade. All you can do is make something equally as good, ever so slightly better, or just worse. High risk for low reward. However, if you remake something that had potential, but was ultimately terrible, then you make another great story and if it doesn't work, then nobody blames you saying "Well, you took a terrible story and made something equally as bad/ever so slightly better. But you were trying to adapt that terrible thing, so what did you expect?" Low risk for high reward.

The Civil War movie was a great example. The Civil War event was possibly one of the worst of the big Marvel Events. I mean, it was truly terrible in everything that it tried. Nobody was acting in character, the story tried to have a "Nobody is in the wrong, it's all about who the reader agree's with on a moral level" message, but then they made EVERYBODY in it a morally deplorable asshole, with Tony forming Super-Villain Death-Squads to kill anyone that didn't agree with him (Not just those who were Anti-Registration. Even those who had signed, if they so much as tried to tell Tony that he may have gone a little too far, like Spider-Man, then he tried to have them killed.) whilst Steve just did the killing of those he didn't agree with, himself. Then the Movie came along and actually made the argument a sound one. Tony said "The Avengers need to be accountable for the innocent lives that we ended in the crossfire" whilst Steve said "We need to be fully autonomous so we can help as many people as we can. If we are controlled by others, then we will have to cow to their agenda's, meaning that they could force us to go somewhere we shouldn't go, or keep us out of somewhere that we are needed." Both are excellent points, and although I freely admit that it was by no means a masterpiece, I think it's undeniable that it was far superior to the Comics.

I chose the Clone Saga because it was actually where I first started collecting Spider-Man comics and I do have a soft spot for it, so I wanted to see it done justice.

So, I made that timeline with 2 clear objectives.
1) Give Kaine a clear and decisive purpose. Rather than his constant flip-flopping between loving Peter and hating him and hating Ben and just all-round having no clear, decisive direction. My plan is for his direction to be to find a direction. To decide if he wants to become his own person, live as a clone of Peter, or just give in and become one of Traveller's Justice-Machine's.
2) Make Judas Traveller not a complete fucking waste of time and ink and give him an actually good fucking reason to be doing what he is doing, rather than just "Blahdy-Blah, i'm so cryptic, please analyse me." Mainly because I actually really like Judas' design.

If you don't mind, i'll probably apply for both of them. I mean, I can see someone else wanting to play Kaine, but I don't think there is anyone else wanting to play Judas, as he is a part of Spider-Man history that most people don't know of and those who do would rather just forget.