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@BCTheEntity The biggest guy in the room is the ogryn. Marines average 7 to 7 1/2 feet tall, and power armor doesn't add a great deal of height, maybe an inch or two. Ogryns come in at around 8 to 9 feet tall, and are much more heavily muscled. Besides, the magi is already on his team, as far as he is concerned.

Plus, the apothecary is aligned with chaos. That means he's a follower of the Great Green Gods... He just doesn't know it, yet.

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@BCTheEntity Armor? Who cares about armor? Every boy knows the best fight is always the biggest guy in the room. And, hey, if helping the apothecary improves the chances of getting a shiny new power-klaw, well, that's just a bonus. :D

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No worries, @Wraithblade6. The operation will be completed. Lucius made a pretty major tactical error in sending the ogryn to go hang out next to the apothecary. Namely, the ork standing right next to him seems to have been left out of the plan all together.

I mean, come on, Urgrugg is going to start questioning if he's turned purple, people are paying him so little attention.

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Technically, @Klomster would be up to post next, followed by JB, assuming we're going by who hasn't interacted most recently.

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@Jbcool It's not explicitly stated that they Aren't, so much as there's nothing that even hints at that being the case. It doesn't take longer for them to heal, there's no mention of them having weaker bones or the like. If anything, there's evidence suggesting they're even more resilient than humans, because half their race somehow manages to live for centuries while injecting the absolute maximum level of drugs possible into their systems. A human doing that would die in a fraction of our estimated maximum lifespan.

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@Jbcool I've read plenty of their lore. Eldar being faster and more agile than humans isn't my problem with them. There are animals that exist that are more agile than us, faster than us, and even those that can process information faster than we can, if not follow more complex thoughts.

No, my problem is, eldar pull all that off with no drawbacks to show for it. They are neither more brittle nor weaker than us, as things that are more agile tend to be. They are not stronger than us, yet weigh less than we do, and still manage to move faster despite the fact they would have to be one of the two, if not both, to pull that off. They suffer none of the physical drawbacks that being better than a human in peak shape should require something biological to be, yet they all are.

In effect, what they are described as being is the same as fantasy elves. The difference is that elves in fantasy are either more brittle than us, which allows for their superiority in certain fields, or they're just better than we are because magic. Eldar aren't the first, so they have to be the latter. I don't care if that's the explanation given, except it's not. They are just better than us, because they are, for no adequately explained or explainable reason other than 'space elves.'

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@Klomster I was mostly just defending my 'space marines are meh' statement. Ogryns, by their fluff, should have better reaction time than their rules make them out to have. It may very well be they, in fact, do. However, being as bulky as they are, how awkward their movement is could balance out the fact they react to danger faster than the average human. Hard to say.

My statements about Eldar are more a general peeve I have with them as a race. Realistically, space marines Should have the fastest possible reaction time of anything in the universe (even if other things Also react that fast), shy of tyranid. Tyranid only get a pass because they're all connected to a hyper-intellect that commands them as a group and processes information from every individual organism on the battlefield simultaneously, so realistically a tyranid warrior could begin dodging bolter fire as the gun is being aimed at him because a termagant sees the space marine with the bolter taking aim. But, again, magic space elves, so they can get away with cheating because they can.

As for necrons... the specific things I was referring to were canoptek wraiths. It's just fact that necrons have the ability to produce, in-mass, A.I. controlled robots that can phase in and out of existence in order to avoid incoming attacks. Being controlled by hyper-advanced supercomputers, wraiths have a faster reaction time than basically anything that relies on physics and not magic, because they have what amounts to an in-built invulnerable mode on/off switch that can be turned on at literal light speed. Why they can't do that with All their... well, everything, no one is entirely certain. Necrons don't make a lot of sense that way.

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@Wraithblade6 And now, we apply this scene to a 40k standard.

A tyranid shoots a high velocity borer beetle at you from a standard fleshborer. It collides with your arm traveling at bullet velocity, and uses the force of the impact to punch through your arm, lodge itself in your sternum, and then bores its way through to the other side, eating everything in its path. This occurs in approximately five seconds, the first .02 of which is how long you have to react to seeing the gaunt aiming at you. Because, once that shot is in the air, you've officially lost any chance of getting out of the way.

Now, a Space Marine in the same situation... exact same rules apply, except he's more chewy and would likely be wearing denser armor. Keeping in mind, of course, that fleshborer beetles are more than capable of chewing their way through flak armor, if it hit his flesh, reports have it doing damage on par with a bolter round.

Now, let's put an eldar harlequin in this same scenario... The sound of the 'gun' firing alerts him to the danger. He can turn his head and see the shot coming mid-flight, and then pirouettes so hard he dodges the bug flying at him going mach 2, because magic space-elves can do that somehow. It makes absolutely no sense, but that's what the fluff says they are capable of. That is, literally, the only explanation for how they can dodge bullets, because those are the things you need to do to dodge a bullet.

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@Klomster Humans have good reaction time to begin with. Once something, say, touches us, it takes fractions of a millisecond for the nerve endings in the body to send that information to the brain. From there, the average person can react on instinct within the next second, depending on the input. Say someone grabbed a hot pan from an oven. The average person could react quickly enough to let go of that pan before it caused anything more than probably some blistering. Given it's a race against energy transfer, that's pretty damn quick.

However, literally anything that has a nervous system can do that. Yes, the amount of time it takes the average person to act on information they perceive through their senses is a very small amount of time... But so can anything. All being faster than a human at reaction time means is you're shaving off, in the most extreme cases, a second to two.

A space marine can draw his weapon faster than basically any human alive. However, given that things like lasers exist in the 41st millennium, that doesn't mean much. Yes, space marines react faster than humans. Nine times in ten, though, and especially in a sci-fi setting, the dangers they're reacting to are so fast to begin with, that the damage has already been done before the sensory organs they rely on even have time to translate the incoming data into a form the brain can read it in. In other words, they literally wouldn't know about it until it has already hit them.

However, in 40k, there are things that can react even faster. Eldar can dodge lasgun fire. Necrons can phase to another dimension as they're being shot. Daemons can deflect bullets. How? Space magic!... But, in a world where that's a thing, space marines are far from the end-all be-all that the books like to make them out to be.

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Oh, orks aren't nearly as big as ogryns. The average boy pales by comparison, and even nobs would be hard pressed to keep up. You'd need a full-fledged war boss to keep them on the same level, physically.

No, orks are built differently. The entire species was literally designed to be a living weapon. Not individually, but as a whole. That includes DNA encoded combat training, an almost stupidly high capacity for regeneration and healing, and the ability to produce an armed and armored army out of basically anything, and all within a frighteningly short time. That the entire species does this as part of its natural reproductive cycle is what makes orks a threat.

And, no, marines are not just 'big humans.' They're definitely well within the realm of 'super human.' The problem is that humans suck to begin with, and being a better version of something that's not very good to begin with means you're probably not all that great. The problem is that there's SO much conflicting fluff about marines, and what they can do and what they're supposedly capable of, it's almost impossible to get an accurate reading of what the average one really should be.

I mean, discounting anyone with a name grimdark enough to earn him plot armor, marines die by the hundreds on the battlefield on a regular basis. The blood angels chapter, one of the original founding chapters, was nearly brought to extinction in a battle against orks. What does that mean? Well, given that 90% of ork fighting style is 'throw wave after wave of your own men at them' (yes, they did it before Zapp Brannigan) that means that an entire chapter, known as one of if not the best at engaging in melee combat... were regularly defeated in melee combat by ork boys. The only reason the blood angels are still around is because their successor chapters had their arms twisted into coughing up enough troops to maintain the ranks.