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Ok, since I clicked on this by accident, I'll reply to just these last two before going. Otherwise I maight end up forgetting them when I'm back.

@Parallel Hearts

Musings

Technically this would make Tiamat (The Goddess Not the System that is Beast II) a viable existence. Hera on the other hand would make a pretty fun servant, being the mother of heros and all that.

That said, King Protea maintains her 'presence' as an earth mother goddess, due to having EX ranked Divine Core when manifested outside of the Mooncell

(better then being a literal living Noble phantasm)

Technically since we don't have the 'humans' pseudo servants would instead be manifested as their full selfs would they not? Which means we get True Ishtar (as an alter ego)

Ishtar true self, by the guy that drew mozart and darius

Finally wouldn't the 'extinction' of humans completely ruin the human half the counterforce? Unless of course that half is so reduced that its now clinging onto a servant container for existence.

Questions questions.

@1Charak2

Most of what you are asking here fall under the "accepting compromises" part of of my previous explanation. It's not impossible to have a downgraded Ishtar or Eresh, or anyone else, around but at least Ishtar has a really, really nasty personality when she's not bonded to Rin, so she wouldn't likely be a good solo Servants. Having the Moon Cell "temper" her by choosing a compatible vessel from within its database (Rin existed on the Moon Cell, after all) and then, shoving Eresh there to ensure that none of the two goddesses would get too out of hand isn't out of question by any means.

Also, I wouldn't muse too much on esoteric concepts like the Counter Force unless it's a fundamental part of a character you have in mind. If we start to grasp at the loose threads of the Nasuverse we will never end. So, keeping it simple is the best thing to do.

@Parallel Hearts

I already have Constantine's church NP drafted, so it's only the matter of polishing it at this time, though I must ask what the classifications of spiritual bodies are in the Moon Cell, and if anti-spirit capabilities are still as effective as they are within a standard Holy Grail War. The Church he built is what is essentially the holiest place in Christendom, where Jesus was crucified and buried/resurrected, and I had it drafted to do some crazy effects~

As for Constantine's status as a Saint, I do think he meets the qualifications of being a Superstar Saint. He's considered to be the Thirteenth Apostle due to his contributions to Christianity, which I dove into in his Backstory, and his status as a Saint is unquestioned.

@Cu Chulainn

Now that you mention it like this, I suppose its a good case. If Karl can have a B Rank on this Skill, I suppose that allowing Constantine to have an A is alright.

Also, silly me, it seems that I was thinking of the effects of an A Rank when I mentioned it earlier. So, you can have it since it's much less complicated than trying to understand what the lower Ranks do... for the sake of convenience.

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PS:

I should mention that because I'm trying to follow my own view of what a good Fate RP should strive to be, this whole game is going to be a pretty experimental stuff. I'm not 100% I can make this work, but I'll at least try, and hope to have the cooperation of anyone applying so that we can all have a good time.

Anyway, I have to stop paying attention to this for a while again. I'll probably have the OOC up when I'm back later today or tomorrow, so be looking forward to it.

PPS:

You can leave more questions while I'm out. I'll reply to them when I'm back, of course.

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@Parallel Hearts

Alrighty, this works! Thinking of going with Rank A, unless you'd rather object to it being B. Constantine's a pretty big boi, so either works.

Also, how's everything on the sheet looking so far? I've already got plans for the Church, but for Constantinople, I was thinking of some sort of base-of-operations type Noble Phantasm. I'm fine with just the Church though.

@Cu Chulainn

I think that an A-Rank on that skill would be reserved to some pretty Super Star status Rulers, if you understand me. People like the really most known and beloved Saints in the world like Saint Peter, Paul, Martha and, especially Georgius (the true best Saint). Two Command Seals per Servant is probably going to be more than enough in a Servant only party.

Also, I'd say that a Church, or rather a Cathedral/Basilica (if he has any linked to his name) is a more fitting NP. A whole city is too expansive and would be most likely a Reality Marble which will end up requiring some extra level of of writing to justify, given the nature of Reality Marbles. A building, on the other hand, would be just like Nero's and Elizabeth's NPs so it's pretty much more easy to write and justify.

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I'd personally recommend avoiding genuine Divine Spirits to begin with. Their manifestation's different system-wise than how Servants are manifested, as you see during a certain scene in Extella, the method BB used to obtain their value data was well outside the standard fare, and it also leads to a significant balancing hurdle.

Mother Goddesses have their Authorities of creation and destruction going on, which is pretty nice, but unless you're counting the likes of Tiamat or the nameless goddess, a big reason they're so scary in the Moon Cell is because Divine Spirits are just flat-out terrifying in the Moon Cell relative to how they are in the material world.

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With that said, you have the mortal equivalents of some Divine Spirits present in the Sakura Five, for instance Bryn in the case of Lip, who (I assume, but you'd want to check with the GM juuust to be safe) should be fine, since they don't have the same scale of stuff going on!

@Moonlit Sonata

I agree with you that deities with command over Authorities are really too powerful. But a "downgraded" version like the Sakura Five, Orion/Artemis, Medusa (in all forms) and her sisters, are perfectly ok if a player accepts some compromises.

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@Parallel Hearts

Alrighty then, Second Question. As all the Sakura Five are composite beings of Divine Spirits. Would it then not be possible for the individual manisfestation of each via the mooncell.

Asking out of importance due to the overpowering nature of 'Earth Mother Goddesses' The kind that comprise King Protea.

@1Charak2

Correct me if I didn't understand your question correctly. But, anyway, here's the answer.

If you are asking whether or not the Sakura Five are viable choices for this story, the answer is yes (with some strings attached). Let me explain my intentions with the whole concept of this RP first, before I elaborate a little more on that answer.

I came up with this idea because of two points that almost no one running a Fate-inspired RP seems to be willing to address, despite them being detrimental to both players and GMs more often than not:

Long digression to explain my motives

1st, the fact that Masters aren't that very fun. More often than not, they are an afterthought to players joining a Fate RP simply to try to play with a Servant concept that they fancy. Sure, every once in a while you find people who want to play a legitimate Master, but most of these are actually looking for a Fate/Zero & Stay Night like experience, where the Magi are the focus (which doesn't happen in Fate RPs since the majority of the people want some hot Servant vs. Servant action). It's impossible to find a balance unless you have a very close knit group of players and this isn't even a hyperbole. Simply scouring the vast majority of Fate RPs in this very site's casual section shows that Servant slots get filled in the blink of an eye and then people struggle to death with Masters (and then, Master/Servant pairings), sometimes literally, since I've seen countless Fate RPs die before even beginning exactly because Masters and pairing bog everything down.

The solution to this? Build a scenario where Masters are optional at worst, and completely irrelevant at best.

2nd, people have to summon "real" Servants. This one wasn't that much of a thing I had complaints about (in regards to Fate RPs) before Fate blew up so hard as a multimedia Franchise, introducing all kinds of crazy ideas and potentially awesome Servant concepts that a fandom RP player would love to try. However, whenever something really cool appears in a piece of the Franchise, you can bet that it'll be followed by some bogus caveat like "Normally, this is impossible, but for this Fate/Whatever work, it happened anyway...". Grand Order is by far the greatest offender when it comes to this to the point it's not even worth mentioning how many times that kind of statement comes up in that game. But, when you think about it hard enough even the original F/SN was composed of a majority of "Servants that should be impossible to summon normally": Medusa (anti hero), Kojirou (a Wraith/Phantom Spirit), Saber herself both in OG and Alter versions (Not being "dead" and not being "real", respectively), EMIYA (do I need to explain this guy?). Even if there were plot-related excuses for all of them to exist in the story, this is just an example of how Nasu makes lore just to break it for narrative purposes.

Bear in mind that I'm not criticizing Nasu's writing here, cringy seafood porn aside, F/SN and most of the other works of the franchise, in particular GO's latest few Singularities and main events. What I'm eternally annoyed at is seeing GMs blocking people from using ideas they want to experiment for no reason other than "Nasu said it's impossible to summon this or that, or that 'Servant X/Y/Z' doesn't exist in history, just on this specific work" or because "Person Ω is 'too strong'". I can understand it when a GM is running a game in a canon scenario like Fuyuki, the Moon (before it went totally bonkers) or Trifas, but if you are making everything from the ground up, why toss aside willing players who just want to have a good time playing your story while RPing their favorite Servants, just because of "canon purity"?

Anyway, the solution to that? Not be a hypocrite and follow my own ethos.

Now that I've made my motives known, let me go back to the question and say that yes. However, considering that the Sakura Five are all overwhelming broken by design, I'm only willing to allow them (and any other overpowered Servants like Rulers and most Top Servants) as long as someone applying them behaves in a way that's appropriate to group play. Any attempt to break the game, or harass the other PCs will be met with a corrective measure proportional to the misconduct (anywhere from a warning, to outright banning).

Lastly, I'll take this chance to explain to anyone, why there are two classes that aren't available from the list of playable Servants on GO.

- Moon Cancers: I don't believe that I need to explain why BB has to be kept as an NPC (in case she does appear at all).

- Foreigners: You are going to fight alien threats in this story. If Foreigners end up appearing in the RP, it'll be as enemies or cryptic ally NPCs. Though, I could be convinced to allow someone to play as a Foreigner, if they agree on some extra compromises.

Anyway, sorry for hijacking the question to go on such a huge unasked for explanation.

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TL;DR: If you want to play as Kingprotea you can, as long as you behave in a conducive manner.

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Well, I certainly wasn't expecting this to blow up so much while I wasn't looking.

First things first, I'm thankful for the interest of anyone who posted here so far.

Second, I'll do any final assessments of Servant proposals once the thread is up. But, I'll still try to address the ones that have been posted here up to the point when I'm writing this.

Now, to address some of the questions before I go piece together the main thread:

Wait, if alter egos are allowed and this is an alternate world does this mean we can app servants under the beast container as alter egos. Similar to Kiara?

(Just asking cause that class was made for servants that didn't fit into regular classification and yet had nothing to do with elder gods)

Im asking since the Alter Ego Catagory is generally the catagory for servants that don't fit classical definition (Sakura Five) or merely contain traits that make them beyond applicable for the original container (Okitan/Sitonai)

@1Charak2

I'd like to avoid touching on Beasts at all. Kiara, especially, wouldn't be called upon by a working Moon Cell under any circumstances. Alter Egos are an option because the Class lends itself to a lot of flexible character concepts (just as you mentioned). But, bear in mind that who you are an Alter Ego of, will probably be the most deciding factor in whether or not character you do is viable or not, especially in what concerns composite beings like the Sakura Five and Sitonai.

My personal suggestion for working with this Class is taking an already canon Heroic Spirit that has multiple facets (like King Arthur, Elizabeth Bathory/Carmilla, and above all else the Tamamo Nine who are the original example of Alter Egos in the Franchise) and work around the alternative interpretations of them. Or, take advantage of the fact that the Moon Cell allows some hax with Divine Spirits and... I don't know, make an Alter Ego Ereshtar Rin?

The gist of it is that all of the known Alter Egos are meta interpretations of other canon characters, with a twist or two applied to them. So, I'd like to keep this as the focus of the Class.

@Parallel Hearts How many people are joining this thing??? O_O

Looks cool tho, tbh! Tempting...will have to think about it.

Eh, might sit back and watch this one, see if it turns out good. ^^;

@Crusader Lord

I'll leave any pruning to do on the main thread. Nevertheless, don't worry too much about numbers. You are welcome in, if you wish to join.

It's the nature of public RPs like this to have people dropping at any point for any number of reasons, so I plan to "overbook" this a little to keep the game running for longer.

My Agrippina is getting closer to completion. I sort of wish they had noted WHY she was considered a Caster but I'll make my own reason.

@Pyromania99

Well, just as @Red Alice said she (and Nero too) were pretty well acquainted with magecraft. That said, I think that if you'd like to her into any other class rather than Caster, Assassin is probably the most obvious choice. You could even try Dual Summoning shenanigans since her modus operandi isn't that different from Semiramis'.

@Cu Chulainn
Since this isn't a HGW that skill won't have any use on opposing Servants, but he can keep his allowed Two Command Spells for each allied Servant, since they can be very handy as last ditch support measures.

However, I'll say that any activation of them must be agreed by both parties at least OOC. Also, if there's more than one Ruler IC, they'll have to share the Seals evenly between them. Otherwise, this would allow too much power for a party ot already seriously heavy-hitters.

@Rune_Alchemist
At a first glance, she looks very nice. I'll leave any final judgements for when the actual thread is up, but I don't see much to change here.

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@Duoya Thanks for the interest.

@Reflection@Red Alice@Rune_Alchemist@Pyromania99

I guess that, with this, I can begin preparing the main thread. Expect it to be up sometime between later today and this weekend.

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@Reflection Welcome. Feel free to apply any of them.

And with this, I think that we are one step away from beginning for good.

@Red Alice@Rune_Alchemist@Pyromania99
This should be a nice moment to show what I who should be the one guiding the player Servants under the command of the Moon Cell. Also, it'll probably work to clarify some questions regarding character creation, I hope so.

With no further ado, here's she:

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Character Sheet

Class: Caster
True Name: Scáthach, "The Queen of the Land of Shadows"
Origin: Irish Mythology
Height/Weight: 168cm/55kg
Alignment: Neutral Good
Personality: Proud, wise, and witty. Those are some of the best three adjectives to describe Scáthach, no matter the form she takes. A ruler from birth, who understands not only her position as being above the masses, but also her obligation not to exert her authority over them, but instead to do so for them. She's a sage and a great warrior, with an eye for the talent of others and displeasure for those who don't strive to improve themselves or don't show any pride as human beings. In many ways, she's a being so perfect, that the World elevated her to a rank similar to that of a Divine being without she ever asking for — or even wanting — it. But, above all else, she's a young woman in the prime of her beauty who has all the charms of a caring, albeit harsh older sister and no reservation about showering whoever attracts her fancy with them. Be it pupil, lover, or both.
Backstory: This is a pure version of Scáthach when summoned under the Caster Class. Her prime state as a mentor figure, which may as well be considered her true nature as a Heroic Spirit. While she may be impossible to summon through the "original" Holy Grail, her existence had been recorded in the Moon Cell where she's able to be called upon as a Servant despite never having "died".

— Parameters —
STR: D | END: C | AGI: C | MAG: A+ | LCK: C | NP: A+

— Class Skills —
Territory Creation —: Scáthach's ability to open a path to the Land of Shadows, exceeds the worth of workshop or temple many times.
Item Construction A++: As a creator of many mystical artifacts, many of which would go on to become Noble Phantasms in and of themselves, Scáthach boasts a naturally high rank of this skill, which receives a substantial boost if the object in question is a weapon of any sort. Thanks to this skill, she's able to summon the weapon that she gifted to her most famous pupil, with little to no expenditure of magical energy. However, despite not having lost any of her martial arts prowess, Scáthach cannot unleash that Noble Phantasm's True Name, since in her hands it's "just a spear that has yet to acquire enough fame".

— Personal Skills —
Primordial Rune —: She has Runes hailing from Scandinavia, almost known as Scandinavian Magic Crests. These runes are different from the Runes modern magi use. These are Primal Runes with the power of the Age of Gods. Because of the Norse chief god Odin, they had spread throughout the world. She, who granted Cú Chulainn 18 Primal Runes, is as strong in magecraft as she is a warrior.
Wisdom of the Land of Shadows A+: With the exception of those particular of certain heroes, almost all Skills can be displayed with a proficiency level of B~A Rank. Also, only towards those, she has recognized as true heroes, it is also possible to teach such Skills.
Clairvoyance A+: While Scáthach normally makes use of this skill through her Wisdom of the Land of Shadows skill, when summoned her a Caster she receives a small rank up of it, thanks to being able to exercise her true might as a mentor. With this rank of Clairvoyance and inherent wisdom, Scáthach is qualified to the title of Grand.
Divinity B: Thanks to sharing a very similar role in the Irish Mythology with the Mórrígan, and the Norse Nornir, Scáthach was bestowed with a high rank of this skill. A fact that doesn't exactly please the God-Slayer Queen. Thanks to it, she's able to summon certain types of Divine Beasts (namely ravens) to do her bidding as familiars.

— Armaments —
A rune-laden staff made from a branch of Yggdrasil, Primordial Runes, Raven familiars, and a certain Crimson Spear.

— Noble Phantasms —
True Name: Gate of Skye, "Gate of the Magical Realm Brimming with Death"
Type: Anti-Army
Rank: A+
Range: 2 to 50
Maximum number of targets: 200
This Noble Phantasm has two variations, both of which are under Scáthach's control.

In the first, Scáthach temporarily summons a massive gate to her shadow realm, and it sucks in all life forms in range. If the target fails to resist it with one's Mana or Luck stat, they're sucked into the gate and are instantly killed. Scáthach can choose specific targets on whether to allow them access or not. Even if resisted, the targets' mana is rapidly drained and they take major damage.

Alternatively, Scáthach can partially bring her Fortress of Shadows into the world through her gate. Those who get Scáthach's approval to enter her domains are bestowed great luck and blessings by the Fortress. It allows those loved by the Fortress of Shadows to defeat powerful enemies, even if they are normally powerless themselves. If properly employed during a regular Holy Grail War, it could bring about an "astonishing upset."

Both variations of this Noble Phantasm can be used at once, but the strain of doing so for even a short period of time is likely to result in Scáthach "death".

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@Rune_Alchemist@Pyromania99 Pretty interesting ideas, already. I have to say that Nero's mom on the Moon Cell is going to be interesting to see, at the very least.

@Red Alice Alright.

Anyway, I think that if we get at least one or two more interested people, I can create an actual thread. Let's just wait and see.

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Well, that came earlier than I thought.

@Rune_Alchemist@Pyromania99, thanks for the interest so far. You can feel free to discuss any ideas you have here or wait until we get two or three more people and do the whole process in the actual thread.

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The Holy Grail War. In another place and another time these words might have meant the word for the Heroic Spirits that reside within the Throne of Heroes, and even some beings who lie beyond its eternal grasp. However, now wasn’t one of those times, not anymore.

This time, what compelled the Heroic Spirits to listen and answer the summons was something much greater. A call to arms, a cry for help, call it what you will but this is the last chance of salvation. For the future to continue to exist, the Heroic Spirits of old, those who became legends, and had their souls recorded by the world, would have to step into action and fight a threat beyond even the most legendary of the Phantasmals.

All that was left to see is whether they would succeed on their efforts or not.

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If you’ve clicked on this, I assume that you know enough of Fate for me to not need to go on a long exposition about Servants, Masters, and their exploits through the numerous iterations of the franchise. Nevertheless, I’ll just go through a brief explanation to be sure anyone reading this is close to be on the same page and then, proceed to explain the specific details that concern this story in particular.

The various Fate related works take place in a world — or rather, worlds — not very different from our own, with the exception that spells and magic are a real thing and pretty much every conceivable myth is either real or has sufficient ground in reality to be considered “real”. Normally, a number of mages, known as Masters, summon figures of those legends, Servants, to fight for them in a bloody conflict called the Holy Grail War. The final prize that both Masters and Servants are fighting for is nothing other than the Holy Grail, an all-powerful artifact capable of grant any one of its bearer wishes.

Of course, nothing is ever so easy. Catastrophe and suffering go hand in hand with most Holy Grail Wars ever fought and most of the times, if there’s even a winner, they’ll not be feeling like they won anything at all.

Nevertheless, neither Masters, nor the Holy Grail War will be the focus of this story. Instead of them, the Servants will be working under the command of the Moon Cell, a gigantic magical computer buried deep within the Moon that has existed since before the dawn of World. This incomprehensible machine which has a will of its own, called Servants to fight a threat that could not only decimate it but also deal a finishing blow to the derelict remnants of the Earth below.

While the Moon Cell has been able to fight off big threats at many different times and realities thanks to the interference of a certain unwitting Master who managed to win the last of the Holy Grail Wars on sheer luck, this time it has to fend on its own. There’s no traces of that person, or any other humans left in its data.

This is a story about how those who vowed to protect the world fulfilled their role in a war that’ll remain unsung for now and forever…

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Character Sheet

Class: (The seven main classes, plus Shielder, Ruler, Avenger, and Alter Ego, are available to be used)
True Name: (Most canon Servants, including many that aren’t normally summonable in regular Holy Grail Wars, as well as Original Servants are available to be used. Since the list is too comprehensive to mention, just be sure to ask before applying a Servant, in case you are in doubt)
Origin: (The legend or work from which your character comes from. e.g.: Arthurian Legends, Greek Mythology, Historical Fact, etc. For canon characters that have no origin in myths or history, mention the work in which they had they first appearance)
Height/Weight: (In metric units, please)
Appearance: (Any combination of text descriptions and, or images is acceptable. However, refrain from using real life photos, if you are going to apply an Original Servant)
Alignment: (Any canon alignment choices are acceptable. If you really need to do something different, please ask first)
Personality: (A brief overview of your character’s behaviour and perhaps some details like any personal goals, regrets, etc. Try to keep this succinct, one or two paragraphs are more than enough to get a good first impression of any character)
Backstory: (You only need to add this if there’s any noticeable difference or detail in your character’s backstory that deviates from their origin. If it’s just generally the same story, or you are applying a canon Servant, you can skip this section)

— Parameters —
STR: | END: | AGI: | MAG: | LCK: | NP:
(For Original Servants, all parameters can be ranked from E- to A+, any excessively high statline, or any parameter goes above A+, will require a very good explanation. For Canon Servants, with more than one set of Parameters, you can choose whichever you like the best, unless they have a version in the Extra timeline, in which case you have to pick that version’s Parameters)

— Class Skills —
(Follow the same recommendation for Parameters. Original Servants with original or cross Class skills, or an excessive number of them, will require an explanation for them)

— Personal Skills —
(The same recommendations to both of the previous sections apply here as well. However, given the nature of these skills, original Personal Skills are expected, so I’ll be looking more for power and numbers)

— Armaments —
(Any additional gear, weapons, mounts, or vehicles that your Servant has access to. Those may or not have special properties but they generally aren’t Noble Phantasm level items)

— Noble Phantasms —
(Again, follow the recommendations above for Original Servants. Keep in mind that Non-Riders are generally limited to one or two Noble Phantasms, while Riders generally have between three to five Noble Phantasms. Any number exceeding this will require good explanation)