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20 days ago
Current Ethical issues aside, AI prose is just really bad.
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28 days ago
She wanted to read, she wanted to write, but the main thing she wanted was something to fight
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1 yr ago
Make it clear that you don't need him to be reading Dante tomorrow. Also suggest it would be fun if you had a private language that you could use to mock English speakers in secret.
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2 yrs ago
Luckily history suggests an infinite ability for people to be shit heads ;)
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3 yrs ago
Achmed the Snake
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Early 30's. I know just enough about everything to be dangerous.

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I watched my grandfather deteriorate and pass away. He was a very religious man and he never said he wanted to die but you could see it in his eyes. The degree to which he suffered and the degree to which he slowly lost all of his dignity cannot be understated. It is one thing to read about it and quite another to see it and understand it because you understand the person who is experiencing a fate that is literally worse than death.

There is a point when suffering becomes so great that a dignified parting from life is a justifiable choice. Setting aside the question of how it is to be financed, everyone has a right to control their own body; including the choice to live or die. For those whose experience of life has become one of constant suffering they should have access to a humane and peaceful way to pass from this world if that is their choice.


All snark aside, this is exactly my point. My grandmother died under very similar circumstances. Im sorry he (and you) had to go through that @Kratesis
@SleepingSilence I do think suicide bombers have a right to take their own lives, just like anyone else, its the murdering of all the other people that I have an objection to, so no, I dont need to backtrack.

@Dynamo Frokane Not so far off :P

Damage to buildings? Whatever method we decide to use for medically assisted suicide, I'm reasonably certain I wont be donning my scrubs to throw someone off a building.

Lets take a look at the Euthanasia law they use in the Netherlands, this is the sort advocating:

The law allows medical review board to suspend prosecution of doctors who performed euthanasia when each of the following conditions are fulfilled:

the patient's suffering is unbearable with no prospect of improvement

the patient's request for euthanasia must be voluntary and persist over time (the request cannot be granted when under the influence of others, psychological illness or drugs)

the patient must be fully aware of his/her condition, prospects, and options

there must be consultation with at least one other independent doctor who needs to confirm the conditions mentioned above

the death must be carried out in a medically appropriate fashion by the doctor or patient, and the doctor must be present

the patient is at least 12 years old (patients between 12 and 16 years of age require the consent of their parents)


I'm sure emotional teens crying for attention will go through a long bureaucratic process involving consulting their GP and then mental health professionals and all the other hoops you would need to jump through. They will continue to attempt to kill themselves the way they currently do.

when I point out how gun to the head suicide doesn't work.


I think I found the study this is referencing and the methodology is measuring people that are admitted to trauma centers. I think it excludes people who are pronounced dead at the scene. So if you are alive when you get there, you have a 42 percent chance.

A study on suicide lethality from the American Journal of Public Health (RS Spicer, TR Miller - Suicide acts in 8 states: incidence and case fatality rates by demographics and method. - American Journal of Public Health, 2000) rates lethality as follows:

Drug/poison ingestion 1.5
Poison by gas 41.5
Suffocation/hanging 61.4
Drowning/submersion 65.9
Firearm 82.5
Cut/pierce 1.2
Jump 34.5
Other 8.0

Making firearms the clear winner. Im actually a little surprised at just how few death are accounted for by OD and Cutting although its possible that suicide by OD is poorly captured in their data.

I'm not arguing that we should be offering assisted suicide in outpatient clinics for anyone who wanders by, but I do think that is is a sensible option to have on the table. Terminal patients often choose to die simply by stopping treatment even though we could keep them alive for months or years longer. Some simply opt to kill themselves and make an end to it one way or another. Id just as soon have it happen in a humane dignified way, rather than buying a shotgun and eating a shell.


You want suicide to be legal


Yep.

probably want free healthcare for all.


Provided to all at no upfront charge from tax revenue, but yes.

And you'd like the suicide success rate to go up.


Among terminal patients who would qualify for and desire such a thing? Yes.

Fantastic


Glad you are on board!
As the pair steeped from the bloody fighting pit the Overseer made one last plea.

"Please, take it back, I dont want to see!" Amira paused, framed by the stone lintel of the door arch, and turned to look at the man. Tears glittered on his cheeks and his face and sand from the floor was stuck to the mucus leaking from his nose.

"What Allah has ordained let no man disrupt," she said austerely and then reached into her robs to produce a pouch of dark leather. It clinked profitable as she hefted it for a moment and then tossed it onto the floor by the mans face with a metallic clatter. Pieces of bright silver from half a dozen different cities spilled out onto the floor.

"The payment for three slaves, much may it profit you," she mocked before turning and striding through the door.

They picked there way through the market place as the son rose turning the famed silver domes of Sharsaya blinding white. The wailing prayer began summoning people to prayer. Many people were streaming towards the mosque but many simply turned to the east and made the abbreviated prayer of the traveller. Amaria did likewise touching her head and heart and whispering the words of the Prayer of Dawn by rote. The task completed she resumed walking considering the slaves question.

"I require only that you do as I instruct, in time, things will become clearer too you," she said pressing through the crowd. Pausing she spoke briefly to a fruit vendor and purchased a handful of dried dates and a pomegranate from a crooked looking Bedouin with a scarred face. She passed the dates to Bin Hakeem and cracked the pomegranate in two and began to eat the seed with smooth graceful motions. They moved through the produce area to where more permenant stalls and even a few stores stood. Merchants from a dozen cities extolled the virtues of brass ware, steel, perfume, dye and a hundred other things besides, their cries struggling to compete with the call to prayer.

"We are going to speak to a man," she expounded as they reached a row of dingy shop fronts.

"He is dangerous, be wary," she instructed before leading the way to a corner store and pressing carefully through the curtain of grass beads which hung like seaweed to keep the worst of the dust and insects from entering. The heat of the day was noticeable by the cool of the interior of the shop. Strange items littered the simple wooden shelves, illuminated manuscripts, baubles carved from amber and jade, intricate series of brass rings, feathers from exotic birds, and a dozen other things to exotic to yield an easy label. In the corner facing towards the east and kneeling on a prayer mat, an old man with a dark grey beard knelt stiffly, arthritic joints admitting the ritual only grudgingly. His hearing was sharp though for as they entered he turned with a pleasant smile on his face. When his eyes fell on Amira they widened with panic and he scrambled back.

"YOU!" he rasped, glancing around for an escape but the only exit was directly passed them, or through one of the windows that he had sensibly barred.

"Hello Abdul, it has been a long time," Amira said in her calm inflectionless voice.

"Look listen, I don't have it, on my soul before Allah I don't know where it is!" He seemed about ready to try and throw himself through a window as she calmly advanced upon him.

"Oh I believe you Abdul, you wouldn't lie to me." That mocking smile again.

"But you can show us a true vision, cant you Abudl?" she purred, still moving forward and pinning him against the wall with her presence. He closed his eyes tightly and he cowered but a little hope flared in his voice.

"You know... you know I cant show you..." he began but she cut him off with a tsk tsk.

"Not me," she agreed and pointed to the slave.

"Give him the vision I require."

@POOHEAD189
The question hung quivering in the air as Amira watched silent and thoughtful. Blood dripped from the blade of the sword pattering almost inaudible to the sand. The room stank of fear and death, the last spurt of arterial blood from the decapitated eunuch merging with the final choking gurgles of the second slave and adding the coppery scent of fresh blood to the melange. The slave master continued to sob on his knees, head in hands as he rocked back and forth.

"Please, please take it back," the man whimpered, making a half heated effort to clutch at her feet but succeeding only in toppling forward into the sand and curling into a fetal position. Amira ignored the fat pathetic wastrel and considered the slaves question. There was anger in his voice, that was natural and proper although the lack of self control was a failing.

"It is unimportant," she said in her soft melodious voice and then paused to consider the question again.

"Though I suppose that is an impractical answer. In this place I am known as Mistress Sand," she declared, her lips turning up by the smallest of margins as if in some secret amusement.

"Come slave, the night will not last forever and there is work to be done."

@POOHEAD189

I think I'm going to stop using commit suicide and start using take their own life. Its a bit clunkier but also a little less judgmental.

I should also point out that there would certainly be a prescription process for obtaining the meds to end a life and you could easily build in counseling and other treatment as necessary precursors for ending your life, really not going to be an over the counter thing.
No one can predict with 100% certainty who will live and who will die.


100% of people will die. At least so far...

Suicide is reckless, because it will inherently cost another person money, suffering and time dealing with it.


So are a great many things.

Assisted suicide as the thin end of the wedge for nazism? Now that you mention it Hitler did commit sucicide...

Mistakes happen? People sometimes die due to surgery and medication mix ups. Better stop doing those, its playing god anyway.

At best these are arguments to not have a shitty system.

People do have the right to decide to end their lives, they do it all the time. THey sign DNRs, they refuse treatment ect.

Also you cannot practically stop people from taking their own lives. They shoot themselves, jump of bridges, hang themselves ect. You cant stop suicide. If you want to argue that more money and effort should go into mental health and education to prevent it, great i'm on board. But if someone honestly wants to end their life the least we can do is let them do it with a little dignity. Also the success rate will go WAY up, since that is apparently one of your objections.

If someone absolutely wants to die, and someone else wants to make a buck off giving others that absolutely want to die a way out of life, let them. Populations will most likely gradually lose their predispositions towards suicidal behavior, due to evolution. Productivity lost due to failed suicide attempts, and the costs of subsequent treatment and welfare program usage, will also decline. That's good for society as a whole.

As for the philosophical aspects of the debate, I'll say that I think every action and nonaction is selfish, including altruism, as you're imposing your will onto reality. Being selfish is okay, so long as you don't harm others. People have also been playing god ever since they domesticated other creatures, so I find "don't do X because [religion]" arguments amusing.


I broadly agree, although most people who go for PA suicide in countries were it is legal are terminal cancer patients who have well past the reproductive age so the effect on the genepool is uncertain.
@Penny That's a twist on words that also doesn't make much sense...it's like telling others not to kill people is playing god...oh wait that is what that is isn't it? Better let the murderers go free...

Hyperbole is hyperbole, but is also being acknowledged as such.

Frivolous lawsuits and the cost of suicide leads to others suffering. But suicide is selfish, so you usually don't care about others when doing it. (And since it's often done because of emotional stuff like that. It's also very ironic too.)

Note: I've been suicidal before, I don't need a circle jerk comment about me being lectured about not getting it. Please? Not saying you. Just laying out the groundwork for the next possible comment.


So an individual dosen't have the right to kill themselves in your mind? Or your just for 100% DIY?
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No, I don't want suicide. Period.


Great don't commit suicide. Picking for others is kind of playing god...

And I also already mentioned lawsuits...


I care about peoples suffering, don't really care about lawsuits.
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