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So then, why say Poles have a home only in Poland when they are brothers to Russians as you seem to be saying now?

Ancestral home

And the genetic similarity between the Balts and the Slavs is a relatively weak excuse, by this notion the Russians are also Swedish through the Varangians, and if the Russians are Swedish that means they are Germanic, and if they are Germanic they share inter-relations with the French and the English and by this point - save for the Italians and the Greeks - the entirety of Europe and on into Asia is one giant super-country united in party by genetic inter-relation with one another, and this ignores the entire linguistic and cultural differences arisen in this regions through the thousands of years of European development; they may share the same genotypes, but they all speak different languages, wear different clothes, worshiped different gods, fought different enemies, and so on.

Not quite the same, you're trying to force me to purity spiral or some other lame trick. Russians aren't Swedish, though Northern ones are vaguely Nordic and do share some brotherhood with them; nevertheless their home is in Northern Russia. They do of course, have similarities with those distant groups but they are still too different, though they should hold the interests of those above those of other even more distant groups like saracens. Relations are not based on lines, they are based on wide overlapping circles or other similar but improper shapes.

If we really are going to hang around and pound on about genetic differences, then we might as throw our hands up in the air and admit barely a percent at best determines the wide-ranging differences in anatomy and all humanity is one race, so let's just give up and become one nation with the whole world as home.

It is far less than a percent, I'd say at least 50/50 is genetics vs. chance and environment.

I don't want to be one nation with one home, people of other groups are too different and I don't really want them in my nation for sure. I don't want my culture erased, I want my green-eyed children and I want my children to speak Belarusian, I want them to look like my kinsmen etc. etc. etc.
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We're all the same base human with some cosmetic changes along the way.


And that's why diversity matters, folks -- because we're all exactly identical (?)
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@mdk
that's just one of many parts of liberal doublethink

yes it's a generalization and ultimately a meme, but still.
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In your very first paragraph you really go ahead to support my point because yes, these African groups were bred to be big and strong by slaveowners and such they were; other groups were also bred for specific conditions. Yes, education standards aren't very high in those specific countries but nevertheless they are still smarter than whites there.


No no, west african SLAVES who were shipped to places like the carribean, american and brazil, are going to be stronger and hardier because they are the descendent of slaves which meant they were artificially bred. But you can look at other 'black' people such us somalians, ethiopians who arent big and strong hardy people even though they fall into the same racial group so this kind of goes to invalidate your genetic point. Like I said, there is more genetic variety among africans then there is outside of africa, which makes sense when you consider we all evolved from there and then left.

No Thai I.Q. is generally lower than 1st world white countries, but then these I.Q. tests cant accurately test for genetics anywyay because it doesn't control for the geo-political and socio-economical factors with each country (colonisation, wars, living enviroments etc) you cant just draw 'genetic' statistics without taking everything else into account first.

Nothing what youve posted says anything about genetics, its just assuming race is a thing and making claims about said thing with no genetic basis to back it up. Which makes it unscientific.

The chitling test is a joke, an almost never used test to counter balance 'white prejudice' to determine how streetwise someone is, whatever the fuck that means, have you seen the questions? Its a bunch of jive turkey, blaxploitation nonsense, which probably gets a pass because it was created by a black guy. Also it was made in 1968 which was only a couple years after the Jim Crow laws were abolished, which makes me wonder how impartial to outside factors it could have been in the initial testing stage, when everyone who took it must have lived in a legally segregated america at that point.

Not scientific at all. Plus this is only an american test, even if it wasnt a load of crap it doesnt speak for the large swaths of people outside the country.

I mean both of your qualifiers for a Belarusian, to a degree. Frankly, it's up to me to decide who a Belarusian is and not you, and I can do it in a case by case basis since after all isn't that supposedly how we are to judge people?
Here are some pictures of people eligible for the title of Belarusians



Here are some of those who are not


If I don't want brown people in Belarus it's my right. They aren't Belarusians, their ancestors didn't fight the Marxists or Nazis, their ancestors were not part of Szlachta or Hristyanstvo, they do not look like me and my kinsmen, they do not act like me and my kinsmen and they are not Belarusians, never will be and that's really that. They have their own countries but to mine they can only come as a tourist. People in Poland and Balkans understand this; visit, but you shall never properly assimilate so don't try.


Alright now youre getting testy, I never said I was trying to determine 'your people' for you, I was asking you a question with examples, calm down, getting this testy about your 'race' makes you sound like an identity politics SJW, friend.

And frankly you can draw as many cultural lines about the belarusian people as you want, this still says almost nothing about genetics. You're not telling me if this is about them being white or olive skinned or whatever or specifically from your country, and if it is an argument of nations you cant tell me that arbitrary country lines some how determine 'genetic sub species' of humans or whatever your standards for a racial group is. How genetically different do you think belarusians and lithuanians are and then how genetically different do you think that they are from other european peoples? (Without showing me random pictures of individuals because it really doesn't mean anything in identifying genes).

So your initial thing was you didnt want to be called a racist, and I granted you that investigating genes by itself isnt racist but drawing lines and treating people different based on nothing but their race is racist. And now youve went on some rant about how its your right that 'brown people' have no right to live in your country wether they were born there or not.

So yeah that is racist plain and simple, because race is the only defining factor, and while its your right to say what you want about brown people, ultimately its not your legal right to determine who does and who doesn't get to be considered a Belarusian citizen. Also this part of your argument is basically entirely emotionally driven an rooted in identity politics which by its own admission isnt scientific at all.

1.To summarize, race is not scientifically recognized, so scientific conclusions about race cant be validated or proven in any reliable way.

2.Any judgement or treatment on someone based completely on their race is by definition racist. If you dont like this label, then stop judging people by their race.

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everyone whose participated in this thread to eat a ban


You participate in this thread, does this include you?
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And that's why diversity matters, folks -- because we're all exactly identical (?)


Well as a species we are all identical as humans, so yeah he's made a factually correct statement there, not sure what you are trying to mock. Diversity only matters in the sense that peoples shouldn't be excluded for bullshit racial lines or whatever else. But I know you agree with this already.
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Genetic and ingrained differences in IQ, anatomy, behaviour, etc. Basically, evolution on a human scale. Whenever someone expresses the slightest belief in it or even interest in researching it they get "called out" as racists.


If I don't want brown people in Belarus it's my right. They aren't Belarusians, their ancestors didn't fight the Marxists or Nazis, their ancestors were not part of Szlachta or Hristyanstvo, they do not look like me and my kinsmen, they do not act like me and my kinsmen and they are not Belarusians, never will be and that's really that. They have their own countries but to mine they can only come as a tourist. People in Poland and Balkans understand this; visit, but you shall never properly assimilate so don't try.


@The Harbinger of Ferocity perhaps youd like to step in
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I never said that makes anyone superior, and I actually said to the reverse. If you're going to start making up statements on my point then fuck off. Also, whites and blacks have more than 10 IQ points difference or one standard deviation. I never argued that all blacks are dumber than all whites, so once again stop making shit up. It merely means that your average black will not be as intelligent as your average white.


Woah, chill out. The problem with throwing that statistic out without a thesis is... yeh, people will assume generalizations.

I never said I want eugenics (except for perhaps rare cases like where someone has a genetic disease i.e. someone with a sever case of autism or down-syndrome (yes I know that is me)). I don't want want to get rid of stupid people, because that's really impossible. I just want to preserve the uniqueness that makes my (and all) peoples beautiful. Once again, I never said two major statements here so please stop making shit up and putting words in my mouth.


Again, chill out. Again, you implied generalization so I went for it. Without the generalization most of the stats you posted are sort of pointless tbh.

This whole paragraph turns to "lol this one guy said X so all of Y which is kinda related to X silly :DDDD" which is pretty retarded.


Don't be obtuse. I gave an example of how cultures determine race differently.

I agree that there are a lot of similarities. However I happen to like the differences, I like my green eyes and the green eyes I see so often in my countrymen, I like the features we have, the strong confidence coupled with craftiness even if we are not the smartest out


Then marry a white chick. Problem solved.

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And that's why diversity matters, folks -- because we're all exactly identical (?)


Do you guys reaaaallly want to be sniping in this direction right now? No accusations here, but it'd probably behoove your politics to challenge the racial bs as it tries to associate with you. I mean, you got the biggest leftist and the blandist centrist making up the above anti-Racism team right now, which isn't good for your side optics-wise.
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@Vilageidiotx Are you calling me bland you milquetoast socialist motherfucker?
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@Vilageidiotx Are you calling me bland you milquetoast socialist motherfucker?


center be all like



milquetoast socialist


this is a great title. its like i'm over here going "The means of production would look rather lovely next to that proletariat."
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Well as a species we are all identical as humans, so yeah he's made a factually correct statement there, not sure what you are trying to mock. Diversity only matters in the sense that peoples shouldn't be excluded for bullshit racial lines or whatever else. But I know you agree with this already.


Not exactly -- I mean true, totally, but that's not what I'm driving at and that's not what "diversity" is for (just an extremely positive side-effect). Diversity matters because we are different, like, by definition, that's what it's about. Differences are strengths. Differences are awesome and important and we should be REALLY HAPPY they exist, and celebrate them for as long as they last (because ultimately yes, we are all human beings and the 'social construct' I guess which drives a lot of our differences isn't a permanent thing). Case in point, I'm an amputee which makes me one of the smallest minorities in the world. I'm absolutely different from other people at work, in real/permanent/tangible ways, and this is a major benefit both to me and to the company.

Uniformity is the enemy. We should be proud of our differences, whether they're intellectual, political, professional, physical, or yes, even racial. That's kind of a loaded thing to throw out there because history is a bitch (and if you take it the wrong way I sound like the wypepo from Get Out), but it's also the truth. Differences and complexity make us all stronger. Celebrate our differences.

To clarify, because I feel like I have to -- I don't buy any of that bullshit about racial intelligence traits or whatever. What I'm getting at is there are 300 million unique people in the US, and if 30 million have a shared experience which gives them a special perspective, the other 270 million benefit a WHOLE HELL OF A LOT by learning from it. It so happens that in America today, a person's race (among dozens of other things) can drive that. I can take or leave the social factors causing that difference of experience (we're all shaping the world for better and for worse), but the difference itself is something I treasure.
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@Dynamo Frokane

I suppose I find myself asking, to what ends? So I will keep this brief and as unbiased as I can manage in my scope of ability. My opinion is already well known on this subject, at least to our previous fare here, but there's some remarks to be made all the same.


The gist of my meaning being this; yes, some races do have positive or negative biological predispositions, but these are generally negligible enough to not matter too much across an entire "race" and even less so across an entire species' population. They tend to only matter at the extremes of the spectrum or the closer one gets to them. In theory, humans of mixed lineages should be more likely to get the better of both. Humans are one of the worst areas to argue this for because of their external factors. Tigers, for example, are more genetically diverse and varied than humans are.

As for creating "pure societies", it would be as much an effort to consolidate mapped genetics into one place as one could and socialize them there while limiting their ability, or eliminating their ability, to reproduce outside that circle. Essentially, isolating them intentionally and fostering more an atmosphere than a pattern of breeding. Yes, in time you would get a notable population that might be readily identifiable by a collection of traits, but this is generally impractical and there's no real tangible benefit to the human animal in doing so as whatever gains to be made are likely to be offset somewhere, ignoring any ethical concerns of course.

This ends with the note that there are, as of yet, no modern distinct subspecies of humans and nothing to suggest they are based on race. They might perhaps arise with tens of thousands of years of breeding, but at such a point it is more likely humanity is either extinct or capable of modifying its own genome.

Provided the science is carried out to better understand the human species and not leverage their supposed, or actual, strengths or weaknesses against one another, there's no real racism here. Yet, as I note, there's obviously lucrative grounds for those who do hold extreme beliefs that these factors are somehow universally tangible and to be applied in that fashion.
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@Dynamo Frokane If you want me to be honest, yeah. I was probably a bit too much of a jackass once or twice (quite a long time ago.) Even if I wasn't the aggressor, I probably said things that were not appropriate. So I probably should of received a warning of some kind -at least-, instead of the six mob rush which accused me of things while doing the thing I did. And temporary few day bans (which are a thing) mean/do nothing in the long run. Not even long enough to effect any RP's you might be doing. But can be done to at least show you will be punished...But I won't get into the past too far. But I can at least say I know plenty who are deserving.

But I wouldn't get too much on my case. I'm was attempting to defuse an argument, to keep your own thread from being locked...and people you may like from eating a ban, now the mods are actually kind of around.

I would also PM you about something personal like this, but last time I did that, you threatened to report me for no reason aside to be aggressive for no reason. So yeah. If you want so badly for stuff to be public, I can oblige.
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To clarify, because I feel like I have to -- I don't buy any of that bullshit about racial intelligence traits or whatever.


I mean to be honest I never pegged you as a racist, but its nice to see clarification, I know someone like @pugbutter would probably silently agree and make sure he didnt denounce any of the racial shit being said here.

Overall, I see what you are getting at, celebrating diversity and differences a lot of the time can be very positive. But I think what that commie bastard Dihn was trying to say was that in response to someone drawing genetic lines on something as arbitrary as race as a means to discriminate and literally kick them out of them country for being brown, then they need to be reminded that they are indeed a human and an individual just like you.

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>says he will keep it brief

>wall of text

:D

But yes I mostly agree with you, differences between groups are not prominent enough to be scientifically measured, and genetic traits among 'clusters' of groups arent drawn along our social understanding of 'race' anyway. There is no black or white or Asian gene.

I was more interested what you thought about the "I dont want brown people in my country" statement.

@Ace of Hearts and you, can please fucking stop with the flaming? Everyone in here, even the right wingers like mdk and I would HOPE sleeping silence, are against this racist stuff, but when you start calling people names all it does is validate them by giving them a victimhood excuse, now they can render all criticism null and void because you are attacking them personally instead of taking apart the argument.

So in this instant @SleepingSilence was right, stop using insults to make a point, they only thing its damaging is the thread.

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You can bump your own thread, dude. If you'd please stop @ing me in an attempt to drag me back into the argument, I'd really appreciate it.
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@Dynamo Frokane Flattering as always. Though I'm pretty much the only one stupid enough to bother that frequently attempts to diffuse fights. But I digress, I can probably guarantee that I've experienced more ghetto culture than most people on this site. I can just tell by how people speak on here whose sheltered and whose not, among the other things. So, even implying you're not sure if I'm racist or not. I'd like to just point out, how ironic that actually is. But I'll leave it at that. Because like I said, didn't want your thread to be locked. :)
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@pugbutter Its not an argument, I've seen you make these talking points before, I thought youd be in agreement.

@SleepingSilence I mean I dont think you are a racist, but itd be nice to see you come out against the ethno state talking points like you come out against left wing crap. That also being said I wish you'd stop bringing up the ghetto thing, there are plenty of white people who live in the hood who are racist as shit because the only black people they meet are generally involved in some sort of anti-social or criminal behavior. I'm willing to take your word for not being a racist, where you live is irrelevant.
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@Dynamo Frokane No, that counter is irrelevant. Because almost all my experience and social life revolves around the ghetto or "black culture". So it is relevant. When even my white friends, have black family members (and not including the fact my father born in South America and one of his longest friend is Hispanic.) And "racism" comes from hating the ignorance spewed and believing everyone should be treated by the content of their character. And when the sheltered get offended for their sake, cry about things they couldn't give two licks about, and while never stepping foot in a ghetto. Yes, my word means much more than theirs.

Simple as that. I don't have a single shred of white guilt and it drives me nuts when young sheltered children, talk like they know anything about the world, like this new wave of progressive politics attempting to make segregation a thing again. When you've been mugged about a dozen times and assaulted in the streets and stalked by a crazy homeless person, ya know at least get you started. You can tell me that my first hand experience isn't relevant to these paper thin discussions about the 'ebils of racism.' (spelled wrong on purpose.)

I've also never brought up the "ethno-state" so without even needing to think about it, you could probably rub two nickels together and figure I don't particularly fight for that cause.

Also @ing random people to start beefs, is another reason the other thread got locked and you were the one to do it. So I politely suggest you do what he requested...
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