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I never said that it's okay for moderators to not respond to reports. Let me repost our exchange:



It doesn't matter if you're an asshole to a moderator. It's not an excuse to simply ignore them for a while until you feel like dealing with the problem.

I expect every police officer to help out BLM or the KKK even if they hate their guts. You don't get to selectively do your job just because you don't like the person or the way they act. As a moderator you should be able to do your job indiscriminately.

While you didn't say mods didn't have to reply to reports you did say they could ignore them for a time if you were being "an asshole" to them, which is just one step away from not doing your job. Yes I would expect Odin if he was a moderator hypothetically to reply to any problem you had as if you were any other user and not catchamber.

And I'll add something else I haven't seen discussed much. I still feel like moderators should be on the same page to an extent. I know every single one is different but that's where the problem lies.

Because one mod will ban if you do a certain thing, but it's fine if another mod is online.

Or one mod will take action against someone else reported but another will simply tell you that it isn't something they will take action against.

Wouldn't it be a time saver to just instruct mods what you want to be considered offenses or not? It feels strange that mod actions contradict each other for some reason.
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It doesn't matter if you're an asshole to a moderator. It's not an excuse to simply ignore them for a while until you feel like dealing with the problem.


Can you give me a series of examples so that an average wait time can be established? Something like-- "PM A, sent on 5PM Wensday, received a reply at XHour on Y Day." Also, please note the subject of each message so we can place the reply time into context.
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It doesn't matter if you're an asshole to a moderator.


Uh, yes, it does.

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Can you give me a series of examples so that an average wait time can be established? Something like-- "PM A, sent on 5PM Wensday, received a reply at XHour on Y Day." Also, please note the subject of each message so we can place the reply time into context.


Never said there was a reasonable time period.

I simply said they should reply to them when they had the time like any other user despite their attitude.

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I didn't say that it's okay for a moderator to ignore, or delay their response to, reports. I said that I agreed with Odin's sentiments about moderators being "open to talking to everyone whenever they are available regardless of their personal opinion of said person, because that's what they're there to do." Then I implied that I wouldn't be surprised if they delayed their responses to members with significant records.


Then I stand corrected. Although I still don't agree it should be considered normal to disregard someone based on personal opinion or records.

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Uh, yes, it does.


I'm afraid I disagree. From my time as GCS mod I did my job regardless of their opinion of me or my opinion of them. If anything if you feel your personal opinion towards them is too strong then the least you can do is direct them to another mod rather than delaying a response or ignoring them. I did this myself in on one or two cases where I felt I would be too biased. I am human too and I know you can't like everyone but it's your job really.
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Never said there was a reasonable time period.

I simply said they should reply to them when they had the time like any other user despite their attitude.

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Then I stand corrected. Although I still don't agree it should be considered normal to disregard someone based on personal opinion or records.

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I'm afraid I disagree. From my time as GCS mod I did my job regardless of their opinion of me or my opinion of them. If anything if you feel your personal opinion towards them is too strong then the least you can do is direct them to another mod rather than delaying a response or ignoring them.


This has nothing to do with that. It's not okay to be an asshole to anyone. If you have conflict with the person, fine, petty conflicts happen. But to just throw out the general blanket statement that it doesn't matter if you're an asshole to a Mod because they're a Mod? No, no it is not.
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This has nothing to do with that. It's not okay to be an asshole to anyone. If you have conflict with the person, fine, petty conflicts happen. But to just throw out the general blanket statement that it doesn't matter if you're an asshole to a Mod because they're a Mod? No, no it is not.


We're not discussing whether it is okay to be an asshole or not. I'm pretty sure almost everyone agrees that you should be courteous and nice and all that instead of being an ass.

I said you should attempt to help the person regardless of whether or not they're an asshole to you if they have a real issue.

If it seemed I was condoning the behavior then I'll say it now, I don't and never claimed to.

It's why I personally warned the people in GCS over the official drama and advised grim not to post the thread she made at all. Again, I don't condone the behavior.
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Never said there was a reasonable time period.


I have no idea what you are trying to communicate; can you rephrase?

I simply said they should reply to them when they had the time like any other user despite their attitude.


So you are saying that the mods did not reply to certain users at all?

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Right so I'm not here to kiss the butts of the mods or anything but this quote makes me wonder why you haven't tuned down the vitriol. I mean if you are an asshole to someone and they treat you fairly anyway maybe you should stop being an asshole.


Who is to say I went out of my way to be an asshole, though? I can't recall myself doing that, and I'm not really about to take responsibility for the actions of others. Like me and her agreed; we don't have to like each other and neither of us hates or dislikes the other, and as long as we're both working towards the common goal of improving RPG, there is no need for hostilities. Do you think me critiquing her alongside the other moderators is equal to me singling her out and telling her she's bad at everything she does? I don't think so.

How does this connect to me and my post? I assume you are responding to me here but if you aren't then heads up-- you forgot to tag them.


Oops. Well, not like it stopped them from replying anyway.

I heard you were banned from the Discord but I had no idea you were banned from the site.


I wasn't. Yet.

Regardless, my point wasn't about any specific instance in your past. It was about your behavior in regards to the mods and what you can realistically expect when you behave that way.

The bottom line is you are very abrasive and friction creates heat. Behaving as if you exist in a universe filled with robots only works if you are in a universe filled with robots.


Pray tell what kind of behavior are you talking about? Does critique equal harassment in your world? Last I heard the moderators partook in this thread and had some good things to say. I'm not sure why you perceive that to be different?

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I never said that it's okay for moderators to not respond to reports. Let me repost our exchange:



Yes, I would be alright with that. However that is acting under the estimation that I'd ever be considered for that position and actually get it and it's no secret that that will never happen. But yes, I would be OK with that.
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In short I have no idea what you are trying to communicate; can you rephrase?

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So you are saying that the mods did not reply to certain users at all?


I don't see what the miscommunication error is. Catchamber seems to understand.

And he was the one I was replying to in the first place.

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I didn't say that it should be considered normal. I just said that it wouldn't surprise me if it happened.


I just meant in general, not necessarily towards you. For once, I'm pretty sure we are in agreement.
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I don't see what the miscommunication error is. Catchamber seems to understand.

And he was the one I was replying to in the first place.


That was my error, I responded to your message thinking it was directed at me for some reason. My apologizes.
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I feel like we're talking about two separate things. Is it good of me to be an asshole to people? No. But should it ever be a reason not to do your job as an admin or moderator? No. Both sides in agreement now? Okay, good. Yes @Catchamber it wouldn't surprise me if they delayed responses to people they don't like or preferably don't spend as much time on me, I completely understand their reasoning for it too, but in theory it shouldn't happen. I know I'm a big pain like that, so I don't blame them.

Either way, besides feeling like we're talking past each other and not to each other, I also feel like the thread has reached it's life expectancy and it's only downhill from here (really, it was downhill from the start) but I got what I wanted from it which was a converstation with two moderators about the state of things and some explanation as to what is going on. I'll let the moderators disclose that information at their own pace I suppose because it seems that, even if we were all in agreement that things have to change, nothing will actually happen until the head honcho is here for a prolonged period of time again, and that seems unlikely to happen within a timeframe where I would accept it and shut my mouth for a week or two.

@Ruby I'll just politely request you lock the thread because from my understanding the useful pointers have already been put into the moderator forum. Hide the thread, leave it, it's up to you, I don't really have any need for this one I think.
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@OdinYou sure you want it locked/close or whatever?
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@Rilla Have you looked at the last few pages? Just close it nothing will come out of this that hasn't already been said 300 times. I spoke to two moderators, got some answers, and I know where we're at. That's all I need really. Ideally I'd still like @Hank to comment on the moderator selection process but I think by the time we get to that, the thread will be a shitfest.
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@Odin Not really, I saw where it was going a while back. Haha. I asked, so it would be confirmed before I shut it down, like I do when people ask for me to hide posts and all.
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