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*Finally speaks up again*
There are fates worse than death.
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*I raise an eyebrow.*

Do elaborate.
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*Finally speaks up again*
There are fates worse than death.
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*Nods at you to continue*
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*I raise an eyebrow.*

Do elaborate.


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If death was really the worst possible outcome, no one would, you know, kill themselves or something. Nobody would take any risks with their lives either. So for some people, there's clearly something better than how bad death is, or something worse. Part of what makes death powerful is that it's universal.
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If death was really the worst possible outcome, no one would, you know, kill themselves or something. Nobody would take any risks with their lives either. So for some people, there's clearly something better than how bad death is, or something worse. Part of what makes death powerful is that it's universal.


Well said!
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Grombles live above ground, but they dig up and eat people's crops. And the worst part is that you can't even eat them back.


Oh they are like squirrels then.
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Hard to say with the reverb in this place.

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With the scans I have access to, I can’t see anything.


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I... Don't think this is me.
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A firefight?
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Oh they are like squirrels then.


*Shrugs*
Whatever they're like, they're pests. I'm sure the world you came from has plenty of those.
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*Shrugs*
Whatever they're like, they're pests. I'm sure the world you came from has plenty of those.


We do. Though that also depends on you occupation or hobby.
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We do. Though that also depends on you occupation or hobby.


Huh? How does that work?
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If death was really the worst possible outcome, no one would, you know, kill themselves or something. Nobody would take any risks with their lives either. So for some people, there's clearly something better than how bad death is, or something worse. Part of what makes death powerful is that it's universal.


Suicide is a result of fear. It's fear so great it overcomes self-preservation; the animal destroys itself to avoid an overwhelming negative stimulus.

Death is merely the most convenient of the methods of compelling fear. It is, by no means, the most powerful.
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Huh? How does that work?
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If you garden more or own a farm, you'd see these creatures as pests more than those who don't.
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Suicide is a result of fear. It's fear so great it overcomes self-preservation; the animal destroys itself to avoid an overwhelming negative stimulus.

Death is merely the most convenient of the methods of compelling fear. It is, by no means, the most powerful.


Indeed! Thus if reality itself were to offer a universally feared consequence in which death itself a preferable alternative, it would be robbed of its power.
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If you garden more or own a farm, you'd see these creatures as pests more than those who don't.


Oh, well yeah, of course.
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Okay, where exactly do you want to visit?
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Indeed! Thus if reality itself were to offer a universally feared consequence in which death itself a preferable alternative, it would be robbed of its power.


Hence the existence of Hell and other religious concepts of perdition and divine wrath. It is another side of the same coin; it invents a consequence that death is preferable to. I recently took a visit to an Earth in the midst of its own version of the early 21st century; one of the major societal problems of the day was religious radicalization, leading to the rise of terroristic groups that were more than willing to die to impose their doctrine upon the world. That is not possible for a state that deals solely in death threats.

There must be fear of death, and there must be fear of Hell. But Hell is meaningless without Heaven, so there must be promise of escape from suffering, if the man acts according to what is demanded of him.
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Hence the existence of Hell and other religious concepts of perdition and divine wrath. It is another side of the same coin; it invents a consequence that death is preferable to. I recently took a visit to an Earth in the midst of its own version of the early 21st century; one of the major societal problems of the day was religious radicalization, leading to the rise of terroristic groups that were more than willing to die to impose their doctrine upon the world. That is not possible for a state that deals solely in death threats.

There must be fear of death, and there must be fear of Hell. But Hell is meaningless without Heaven, so there must be promise of escape from suffering, if the man acts according to what is demanded of him.


Perhaps so! But the true disadvantage of any afterlife promise is that it can't be seen, and the consequences are distant. So we need a different solution.
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Oh, well yeah, of course.
*Stands up and grabs a cloth from my pocket before wrapping it around the vegetables as a makeshift basket*
Okay, where exactly do you want to visit?


Maybe locations you like to visit here? I do not know the area.
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Maybe locations you like to visit here? I do not know the area.


Adults like to drink, right? There's a place for that in town.
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Adults like to drink, right? There's a place for that in town.


I don't think I should be drinking in my state...
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I don't think I should be drinking in my state...


Okay, do you like visiting cemeteries?
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Perhaps so! But the true disadvantage of any afterlife promise is that it can't be seen, and the consequences are distant. So we need a different solution.


Quite the predicament. Again, then, how to create something with more lasting and undesirable consequences than death?
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