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Here's the server, whoever wants to join is free to do so.

By the way, Discord link still had an expiration date.

Contemplating a God - need to figure out what fits and what might be 'needed' as far as themes / domains.
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Ooh, my bad. I will create a new one.
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Here's the new invite link for the discord, now in perpetuity!
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Would you like to role play Liute being Orranoth's son?
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@Thayr I am going to accept him. I really like the accidental birth origin and the potential for a growth arc as he learns his own nature. To strengthen the concept before play begins, please clarify whether he's purely harsh or multifaceted by committing to one characterization, add a brief note on his worshiper base (farmers, smiths, etc.).
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From this week onwards, all Surreal+ actions will cost +1 Conviction on top of their base conviction cost displayed in the Divine Actions Reference Guide. For actions that display a range, treat the min and max values of the range as having been increased by 1.
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@VecHere is my rendition of the Sea Gods. Do note that I'm still gonna write the travel of First Cephalopod instead of outright claiming immediately. But, here is my app for Gods of the Sea. Do let me know if you want clarification or changes. Thank you

In explaining the new Oceanic hierarchy.

At this point, I guess we all know how the ocean came to be.

Let the ocean be the veil that conceals the truth. The further down the depth, the less they will be able to find, until their own limb and sound of the heartbeat disappear.
Let the madness in their heart grow, the longer they spend down the surface, until they only think of total annihilation.
Let the above be filled with fog, which sometimes makes sights and sounds that never are, and hide the destinations which are always there.
Let the danger of those oceans be so enchanting to the weak willed, that they cannot wait to chase their ruination with smile and laughter.


This explained why the ocean is the complete shithole it is. The sea is corrupting its inhabitants, twisting their bodies to strange shapes and strange figures. However, as we know, the sea occasionally cleanses itself from the corruption of Yzechr, where the sea creatures become calm. But this cleanliness only carried on for minutes to a few days before the corruption returned and with increased intensity. So far, I’ve expressed this “increased level of corruption” as more bloodlust and accumulation of unnatural mutation.

But, with Yezcher and the player responsible for the sea disappearing, I figured I should recreate the oceanic pantheon to clarify the new order of the Sea. Thus, I present to you, First Cephalopod and Amut the Black Whale.

First Cephalopod would be corresponding with these line
Let the ocean be the veil that conceals the truth. The further down the depth, the less they will be able to find, until their own limb and sound of the heartbeat disappear.
Let the madness in their heart grow, the longer they spend down the surface, until they only think of total annihilation.


More specifically, here is my interpretation: The First Cephalopod represents the directionless states as appeared in “ until their own limb and sound of the heartbeat disappear” and gradual accumulation of corruption until they have reached “total annihilation.” To be more specific, First Cephalopod represent “the depth”, the “limb and sound of the heartbeat disappear”; “the total annihilation.” Do note, however, that Cephalopod does not control corruption. Instead, one is more correct to understand the First Cephalopod as a being that is closest to “total annihilation.” As such, First Cephalopod does not make something more corruptible, it shares the corruption it accumulates.

But the sea does not corrupt infinitely. Instead, it renewed itself through the cleansing.

In the depths of the corrupted ocean, something pulsed.

The pearl-white shell that Yzechr had consumed had not been destroyed, not truly. It had dissolved into the very substance of the sea, becoming one with the darkness and the deception. But shells, especially those touched by mysteries, have memories. And memories have a way of surfacing when least expected.

At irregular intervals, sometimes hours apart, sometimes days, the ocean would clear. For a handful of heartbeats, the lightless depths would become transparent, the water as pure and safe as it had been before corruption touched it. Ships could sail. Fish could swim without mutation. The alluring whispers would fall silent.

Then, just as suddenly, the clarity would fade. The corruption would return, darker than before, as if angered by the interruption. The gods who had collected other shells from the shore, pretty, nacre-bright things, felt those trinkets grow suddenly inert in their grasp. The faint magic that had clung to them, the sense of significance, drained away like water through sand. They were still beautiful. But they were just shells now, nothing more.


Amut would be this. Amut would represent the sea when it is cleansed. Amut would give meaning against what is “total annihilation” by providing the template of what constitutes “natural” or “void of corruption.” Amut is the foil to the First Cephalopod, providing the basis and structural distinction necessary for the First Cephalopod to exist. Amut represents the landmark that the term “further down” draws its meaning from, the time reference that constitutes “long.”

In summary, Amut represents the cleanse sea and the distinction of definition. And the First Cephalopod represents the depth and the blurring of definition into one.

Answering question:

  • 1.Why not just make First Cephalopod a new God of the Sea?

    I feel like Yzechr created an interesting god and a fascinating creation myth. A sea that is not kind, nor loving, but was created purely for the destruction of mortals. I mean, thematically, Yzechr is just made up to be a bad guy and worshipped by those who choose to become corrupted. Originally, I planned to make the First Cephalopod to be the Corrupting God by sucking up all corruption in the sea. Amut was originally a character I planned to introduce during the last few weeks, acting as a foil to First Cephalopod by being a pure goody two fin whale. But good versus bad are done to death, and I crave something new.

    Moreover, it stands to recognize that these are products of their environment - the corrupted seas. Imagine if the Seas (product of Yzechr) has its own consciousness, then Amut and First Cephalopod would be its attempt in rationalizing and following the directive given by Yzechr. Yzechr desired for those that sank too deep to reach total annihilation, the sea’s consciousness make the First Cephalopod to define what is the closest possible to “total annihilation.” It is impossible for total annihilation to physically exist, And if there exists “total annihilation”, then there must exist the “total self” as its beginning point. In a way, Amut and First Cephalopod exist as a way for the seas to come to term with its contradictory directive. Answering how an environment so malicious to life is able to host it, by giving definition to what is and what isn’t. Most sea critters exist in Amut’s part of the sea, because it provides them the best chance of survival while not being too hostile for life. Meanwhile, the part of the First Cephalopod is filled with fishes/ critters that have lost many senses, symbols of the slow degradation of self.

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  • 2. How would you avoid clashing themes with other Gods in the Setting?

    While I wrote them to be as meta as possible, the two in one are still largely defined by their domain and originality

    Their domain is the Sea. The calm sea and known shores can be attributed to Amut. Wind, currents, tides, waves,.. are properties of Amut. Unknown seas, lurking creatures beneath the waves, or dangerous tides/ currents are attributed to First Cephalopod. In essence, meta debates are for meta debate. But for physical manifestation, Amut is the calm waters, predictable wind patterns and currents/tides; and First Cephalopod has to do with dangerous waters or undiscovered parts of it.
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  • 3. How would divinity point be allocated?
    They would be treated as a single identity like other gods with the shared resource pools.



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Before I approve, I need clarification on a few points:

1. Show me Amut.
You've demonstrated First Cephalopod's voice vividly. Can you write a comparable example post from Amut's perspective? I need to understand how the two differ and whether Amut has the same interior depth.

2. The black whale tension.
In your example, First Cephalopod fears black whales—has been hunted and maimed by them. But Amut is a black whale. Is this intentional? I would like to know what's the actual relationship between your two entities, not just the meta one that pertains to conviction mechanics. Predator and prey? Two halves that haven't yet recognized each other? As I understand it, they are responsible for different parts of the ocean and thus we'll see little interaction between them. Do correct me if I am wrong.

3. Collaboration with other gods.
Your solo writing works beautifully, but this is a collaborative game. Gods negotiate, debate, form alliances; if Orranoth descended to the sea seeking to parley, how would your entities participate? How do beings that think in sensory impressions rather than language engage in pantheon politics?

Answer these and I think we're good to go. The concept isn't a problem, I just need to see the complete picture before accepting them.
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This post does not include what Khthon found during his investigation. Depending on what @Rekkuza wants to do, we might drop it either as a collab or I will write a separate post in a few hours to detail what happens.
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Here is my response, with attached changes and clarification as requested.

1. Show me Amut.
You've demonstrated First Cephalopod's voice vividly. Can you write a comparable example post from Amut's perspective? I need to understand how the two differ and whether Amut has the same interior depth.

Here is Amut’s character sheet with a roleplay example.


2. The black whale tension.
In your example, First Cephalopod fears black whales—has been hunted and maimed by them. But Amut is a black whale. Is this intentional? I would like to know what's the actual relationship between your two entities, not just the meta one that pertains to conviction mechanics. Predator and prey? Two halves that haven't yet recognized each other? As I understand it, they are responsible for different parts of the ocean and thus we'll see little interaction between them. Do correct me if I am wrong.


This is very much intentional. The actual relationship between two identities are that they are codependent upon each other. If times permit, I would like to be able to portray their relationship as reluctant codependent. They would absolutely interact when something threatens to change the sea’s directives. But as a whole, they don’t tend to interact much.

3. Collaboration with other gods.
Your solo writing works beautifully, but this is a collaborative game. Gods negotiate, debate, form alliances; if Orranoth descended to the sea seeking to parley, how would your entities participate? How do beings that think in sensory impressions rather than language engage in pantheon politics?


Good question. Let’s say Civilization (Sarhush) created the “Me of sea-faring”. There is no reason for Amut or First Cephalopod to not allow it. Just because a ship can operate at sea doesn’t mean it would be to stand the storm. Let say furthermore that Orranoth wants the sailors to be able to navigate by the stars, Amut and Cephalopod would also allow it. The only caveat is that the storms could blacken the skies and block the sailors from seeing it or dense fogs make the ships lose their direction,... As long as it is not “The tech/ magic that makes the sea harmless”, Armut and First Cephalopod don't care much. Yzechr doesn’t put a quota for the sea to fulfill, and so that directive doesn’t exist for Amut and First Cephalopod.
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@Shovel Accepted both.
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Hello folks. It's me.
I'm rather new to all this, apologies if I make a mistake. I'm pretty easygoing, just send me a message about anything you'd like. Unfortunately I'm not on discord. After having a chat with Vec, I've made a mortal wizard. He's pretty evil. Currently thinking of how I should involve him. You're welcome to hit me up if you have an interest.

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As a sidenote, sorry for my absence. I was sick with the flu and bedridden the entirety of the past week so I didn't have much motivation to write. This post takes note of the most world-influencing actions that have happened since my previous GM post. Additionally, with Cyclone gunning for the Fire Domain, I will take some time this week to iron out the rules for Domain Expansion (heh) so more people can go for it. However, don't think too much about it, I want to keep it light and simple for this one so I think I'll just go for a flat fee after some recurring Conviction investments.
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Most members of the discord have access to this information, however for the ones that are not part of the server I will put this up here as well.

I didn't hold any illusions that it would last as long as MK2. It surprisingly got enough activity 1 month into the new year, after the holidays when people had the most amount of free time, but right about when I got sick people started ghosting. I guess something with the mechanics as well as the somewhat fast pace of the weekly posts required for people to gain conviction contributed to the burnout. Mind you, what I am saying is not to slight anyone—I've had my share of ghosting RPs as well so I totally understand why/how that could come about. I don't blame people for losing interest/being busy IRL and cutting down on RPing.

FS was, ultimately, my attempt at GMing a god rp a la Divinus, with my own twists. I was one of the few people that had not GMed one in all these years after all and was curious to see how it would pan out if I did. I am glad you all decided to grace this RP with your time!

So as seen from above, I am in the process of sunsetting this RP after seeing activity flagging considerably. Here's a token poll for people to vote on. I doubt there will be a large movement to keep this going but just in case, I will put this here. I am sorry to the people that recently joined or anyone with ongoing/just started collabs.

There will be no GM post today, I will take my time to think on a proper, open-ended epilogue that will allow people to write their own separate epilogues for their characters, should they wish to do so. Expect the last GM post within the week.


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