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well, i'm pretty sure the current topic is the post that sleepingsilence made which offended you, but i'll take my leave either way.


When we go off course I try and steer it back on to politics as quickly as possible, 'adding two cents to a heated discussion' accomplishes nothing.
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Oh, that there is. Sure. I'm waiting for dinner to finish cooking anyhow.


Whats for dinner?


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sorry to pop in unannounced, just wanted to add my two cents to this already heated discussion.

emojis don't denote sarcasm, nor do they give you the ability to say "look i used an emoji so it's just a joke and you can't get offended". that said, jesus christ what a small thing to get offended about.


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When'd you get unbanned


a couple days ago, famalam
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@Grimhildr I assure you that the only heat on my end, is the burnt roof of my mouth.

I almost exclusively use emotes in a light hearted or sarcastic manner. In context, they can certainly change how a sentence should read...Obviously, some things said with emoticons don't make them better. You can also rightfully criticize someone, in a civil way.

But I can say without a doubt in my mind. I've never said something in a genuinely angry or hateful way, with an emoji with an opposite intention.

Sorry, I brought you back. While I'm at it, hopefully you know I was being playful in the spam section.
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Whats for dinner?



No, but that does look good. I had a Panini.
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@Grimhildr I assure you that the only heat on my end, is the burnt roof of my mouth.

I almost exclusively use emotes in a light hearted or sarcastic manner. In context, they can certainly change how a sentence should read...Obviously, some things said with emoticons don't make them better. You can also rightfully criticize someone, in a civil way.

But I can say without a doubt in my mind. I've never said something in a genuinely angry or hateful way, with an emoji with an opposite intention.

Sorry, I brought you back. While I'm at it, hopefully you know I was being playful in the spam section.


in my opinion, emojis don't change how a sentence should read. they're just tacked on in the end in a vague expression of humour. however, to each their own. just never unironically use the ok hand emoji.
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I mean it's political at least?
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@The Harbinger of Ferocity You are correct that classically white nationalist gangs have not used these recruiting tools in the past, but the modern day alt right is something of a different animal. I dont nessecarily disagree that people who become White nationalists might have been going down that road anyway, but the same can bes said about any fringe group, thats a nature vs nurture argument that im not sure either of us are qualified to have.


I believe, beyond what I know as fact, that with examples such as Charlottesville which included agitators in both factions there is a solid claim in knowing who and what the Alt-Right is, at least with the actual Far Right. This is throwing out the crisis actors, the shills, the Antifa jackboots, the Nazi larpers, and focusing on who made up the event at their core on the right. As we start to strip away these elements, we begin to notice an emergent pattern of who the groups are - I have spoken at extensive length on them here in this very topic twice before - but in this case it bears address again because of the distribution of how they formed.

The Neo-Nazi and white nationalist factions are not technically savvy, skilled or competent by and large. They lay claim to minimum influence and stay mostly within their confines on the internet, at times drifting out as anyone does and interacting elsewhere; there is no coordinated effort to infiltrate, twist, or indoctrinate new members. It goes against their method of operation and from what has been observed and what I can speak to on it, they have still changed very little and are slow to adapt. Next we have the nebulous Far Right or those who typically call themselves the Alt-Right unironically and cling to its tenants, but have less an extremist nature. This group, from numbers along, was indeed larger and more influential - speaking from what was noted about Charlottesville - namely from that aforementioned larger, younger crowd associated with the internet. Still not a significant number by themselves, they were visibly comfortable interacting with the more extreme factions because they had a common enemy and shared most of their values.

Now comes the largest component that is new to the image, the "Alt-Light", these are your internet subcultures that have tendrils in some of the above, yet are by and large distinct in that they are extremely organized and savvy in technology, proficient in organization, by the numbers younger members, and very active in their communities. These are your internet trolls incarnate, be them Kekistanis or Alt-Knights, either way, this was of the first times we saw them in person in any sort of number. This group is where you start seeing the recruitment and memetic action, especially the tenants of psychological operations. This is the realm that helped spawn Pepe and used him as a weapon against the Far Left and Left as a whole. Unquestionably these are your subtle instigators and doormen who can lead further to the right, the Far Right, but realistically most people never arrive here to begin with; they just see the results of their action.

The outliers from here were the MAGA members, the III%'ers, and the Oathkeepers. In order, the first group dispersed when they saw the mobilization of the Neo-Nazi and white nationalist, largely because their organization is exceptional for them being not being an organization. This was done mostly through forums, Twitter, Discord and a few other means, but they large withdrew that morning before the events escalated. The other two factions are unassociated with the rest, again each member having tangential ties to others, but their apparent objective in these environments is to maintain order and dissuade use of deadly force.

What does this all mean?

The current cultural and political dynamic has brought more attention to the Far Right because of the execution of the term "Alt-Right" and how it has been made into the Left's boogeyman. Those who already had those biases were there to begin with, as they had a reason to seek them out, but some new members might have influxed from the other end's pressure acting on them as a motivating force. They became more "unified" in appearance because related groups, which were much more palatable, emerged around them and shared overlap with them as outside motivations pushed in. These groups regained breathing room after the fall of the Left and only reappear around one another when their opposition does.

There is little intelligence otherwise to suggest outside this.
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I need admit, I am surprised to some extent the topic of Reddit has only just now been addressed directly. That entire portion of the online world had a tremendous impact on the outcome of more recent political action, activism and information, at least enough to stimulate some social engineering and data manipulation. Regardless, just the communities there pose an interesting take on it all, even more so with the recent forms of victory and defeat for their respective factions.
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I think people over-estimate the number of who browse 4chan, reddit and other such places lol
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They are best understood and perceived as concentric circles working out toward the average, uninformed, uninvolved person. The effects of what goes on with them do have legitimate impact that cannot be ignored; it is no secret these places have garned enough attention to be subject to shilling, bot armies, investigation by federal agencies, and the source of safe haven for drops of information. The same could be said about how Wikileaks "Is greatly overestimated.", but it was places as 4chan and parts of Reddit that made them impactful, especially the Silent Majority or the MAGA movement.

They are the reason people still talk about GamerGate, Seth Rich, the JFK files, PizzaGate, the Trump dossier, Uranium One, the DWS scandal, Awan Brothers, BernieBros, all of the Hollywood sexual assault and pedophilia, and so forth. They are agitators and aggregators of information and action, especially the aforementioned social engineering - "It's okay to be white." the best current example.

They are a means of leverage that was gravely underestimated before.
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A good chunk of the people on these websites are foreigners and a large chunk of the accounts are alts and such. Admittedly news of their actions get around but their strength in a vote is limited, not to mention because many of them are teens.
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If the reddit post was accurate it would be 1. Thumb downs anything politically right controversial in the slightest. 2. Every thread with insert leftist diatribe into it regardless how little it makes sense. Upliftingnews: Trump WILL be impeached. TIL: How much Trump is evil! AskReddit: What's something you hate about Trump? 4. /Politics is not for actually engaging in political discussion. BAN! And so on...

Though the sub to only what they like, is accurate. Though on reddit, it's more of the point...(because you won't find much intelligent discussion on there.)

Admittedly news of their actions get around but their strength in a vote is limited.


Hahaha. The idea of typical people on /politics reddit forums, actually getting out to vote.
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@Dinh AaronMk Talk about r/communism
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