[OOC] Dragons Cry, a Fairy Tail story

[AngelofOctober]

@Neo Is Delight
I know you want to keep the idea of Dragon Slayers fairly rare, but since the guild is known mostly because of it's higher than average number of Dragon Slayers wouldn't it in some way make sense that a sort of clique would form from them? And since we'd be focusing on a specific group of the characters rather than the entire guild is it that important a distinction to be made? Surely as we wrote through the RP the number of non-dragon slayers would be made apparent from us writing them as NPC's?

@Oni_

There's a saying I like;

If everyone's special, then no one is special.

If you joined a DC RP and everyone wanted to be a Superman Clone because it has arcs about Superman turning evil and being a god. Then the 1 Superman Clone, no longer becomes relevant because everyone is a Superman Clone. While yes! Generally you would want more Dragon Slayers.

But that doesn't tell a good story. Also it begins to create this power creep, if everyone is a Dragon Slayer and their magic is supposed to be super powerful awesome. Then any ordinary character or villain doesn't stand a chance against 6 Dragon Slayers.

Your two GMs, me and Neo, both wrote normal mages. Yes, I made my own magic and Neo did as well. But! We don't have have Dragon Slayers. I am comfortable with at least 2 or 3 PC Dragon Slayers. But not the whole damn cast. Then it makes my normal mage or anyone else's normal mage irrelevant. And it becomes focused on just the the Dragon Slayers.

Then the normal mages are like "why am I even here"

[Rune_Alchemist]

@AngelofOctober

Now, I could be wrong and I might have misread something from the Int. Check, but wasn't the fact this RP was supposed to focus on a guild mostly made up of dragon slayers be sort of what was special about it?

At least, that was my understanding of it and what sort of drew me to it in the first place. Don't get me wrong, I understand where you're coming from but the fact that this was supposed to be a guild full of Dragon Slayers was basically what was pitched to everyone as the premise.

I'd also point out, that no, Dragon Slayer magic isn't the end all of magic and isn't 'super powerful awesome' and has been repeatedly beaten or at least dealt with fairly easy by other skilled mages.

I'm fine with it if the Premise is changing, but you may need to tell people that in a more clear way since you're basically changing the entire RP.

[Neo Is Delight]

@AngelofOctober

Now, I could be wrong and I might have misread something from the Int. Check, but wasn't the fact this RP was supposed to focus on a guild mostly made up of dragon slayers be sort of what was special about it?

At least, that was my understanding of it and what sort of drew me to it in the first place. Don't get me wrong, I understand where you're coming from but the fact that this was supposed to be a guild full of Dragon Slayers was basically what was pitched to everyone as the premise.

I'd also point out, that no, Dragon Slayer magic isn't the end all of magic and isn't 'super powerful awesome' and has been repeatedly beaten or at least dealt with fairly easy by other skilled mages.

@Rune_Alchemist

Technically, I didn't say the guild was full of dragon slayers. I said I wanted a rp focused on them, but then I also came upon the realization that this would make for a bad rp premise. Because like angel said, if everyone's special, then nobody is. If you have a few dragon slayers, they're a force to be reckoned with. If you have 6-10 dragon slayers, nobody can even stand against them. There would be no point for any arcs, or anything of the sort, because it would be "Oh hai, here's our villain, everyone ready to roar" bam villain down. no effort, no character building, no nothing. It wouldn't make for a good rp, because the cast would be too powerful for normal villains to face, and as said, slayers are rare. That point becomes null and void if not only we have a cast of them, but also every villain is a slayer so they actually provide a challenge.

[Rune_Alchemist]

@Neo Is Delight

Slayer magic isn't inherently more powerful than any other magic, it has been proven time and time again. You even said so yourself. I personally think it'd be neat to explore a bunch of dragon slayers doing things in a guild. If you can't come up with a proper challenge for that then something isn't properly balanced. In the beginning Natsu and the other slayers were hardly 'end all powerful'. He only got that way after some training and challenges.

The easy way to fix that would be to have everyone simply be new slayers to the guild, and not all too powerful. B rank at most. There, bam, fixed that issue almost immediately.

Besides, I doubt all the slayers would get along. Who knows? Internal conflict between them could be a very real thing. People with that amount of power always clash heads in some manner.

*Shrugs*

I suppose I'll just have to respectfully disagree, here, but I do think it'd be doable fairly easily, personally.

[AngelofOctober]

@Neo Is Delight

Slayer magic isn't inherently more powerful than any other magic, it has been proven time and time again. You even said so yourself. I personally think it'd be neat to explore a bunch of dragon slayers doing things in a guild. If you can't come up with a proper challenge for that then something isn't properly balanced. In the beginning Natsu and the other slayers were hardly 'end all powerful'. He only got that way after some training and challenges.

The easy way to fix that would be to have everyone simply be new slayers to the guild, and not all too powerful. B rank at most. There, bam, fixed that issue almost immediately.

Besides, I doubt all the slayers would get along. Who knows? Internal conflict between them could be a very real thing. People with that amount of power always clash heads in some manner.

*Shrugs*

I suppose I'll just have to respectfully disagree, here, but I do think it'd be doable fairly easily, personally.

@Rune_Alchemist

What part of the, it's cannon there aren't that many dragon slayers did you not comprehend? This is not up for a debate. We want to see some creativity. That is what Neo and I ask of. Creativity.

Thinking outside of the box never hurt anyone before. GM word is law. And if everyone here has a problem with that, and thinks we're overreaching, we're not.

We have 1 Arc that deals with dragon slayers

We would also like Other Characters built so we can build Arcs around the different ideas of the characters. Or we're doing all about the same thing.

It's not just about Power. It's about the things we can do. The more characters we have that aren't similar, the more interesting this RP will be. The more characters we have that are similar, the less interesting things we will have because we'll have to at some point deal with Power Creep. You see it all the time in Naruto or DBZ, instead of creating limiting balanced structures, they continue to add new and new and newer elements till no one can touch a certain character.

This takes away tension. Drama.

We have 1 Dragon Slayer, yours.

Depending on how they are written we will accept 2 more. 2 or 3 Dragon Slayers. And then we want Normal Mages as well because we want to explore different ideas and elements in this RP.

It's called Good Story Writing.

[Neo Is Delight]

@Rune_Alchemist
Okay, let me put this in a different perspective.
You have a fire slayer.
You have an air slayer.
You have an ice slayer.
You have a sound slayer.
You have a poison slayer.
You have an earth slayer.

Now, that's six different magics that are going to be useless.

Now add in the fact that some slayers can eat secondary elements.
That's six more elements that are useless. See where I'm going with this? They're inherently more powerful than other magic because they can just eat magic that is thrown at them, with a few rare exceptions.

So, assume we can think up plenty of challenges for these slayers. It still doesn't change the fact that Dragon Slayers are rare. God slayers are rarer, and Demon Slayers even rarer. So, tell me how we would have a guild 'primarily made up of slayers'? This is AU, so yes, there will be a little more wiggle room with stuff, but I don't want a million slayers, because this isn't canon breaking fan fiction.
I'll also point out, I never once said the guild was made of primarily slayers. What I said was it was guild known for having 'multiple' slayers.

[Rune_Alchemist]

@AngelofOctober

Maybe it's just me, but you just came off as far too hostile when I was just stating an opinion.

I wasn't trying to debate anything. I was just giving an opinion because I care about this RP and want to see it succeed...and suddenly changing the RP's premise before it even gets started is just bad taste. If it wasn't changed, then it should have just been explained better.

I think I'll save my breath though. After your far too hostile attitude and a few other misgivings I've had about the...GM's that I won't get into, I shall be withdrawing from the RP.

[AngelofOctober]

@AngelofOctober

Maybe it's just me, but you just came off as far too hostile when I was just stating an opinion.

I wasn't trying to debate anything. I was just giving an opinion because I care about this RP and want to see it succeed...and suddenly changing the RP's premise before it even gets started is just bad taste. If it wasn't changed, then it should have just been explained better.

I think I'll save my breath though. After your far too hostile attitude and a few other misgivings I've had about the...GM's that I won't get into, I shall be withdrawing from the RP.

@Rune_Alchemist

Well when it feels like you're criticizing and challenging what we wanted and what Neo asked, I have to put my foot down somewhere. A simple opinion that sounded like you were arguing with us. That's not entirely fair to pin my behavior on simply us. It takes two to tango. Take some more responsibility for your actions as well.

I will admit maybe I misunderstood your intention. But at the same time I have never been on a website where members write paragraphs and argue with GMs about their decisions as well. So I felt you were overreaching. We already stated what we wanted, we already explained where we're going. It's up to the members to decide whether or not like it and want to stay.

But they shouldn't write us novel lengths of why we're wrong. or feels like saying we're wrong.

[Neo Is Delight]

@AngelofOctober

I wasn't trying to debate anything. I was just giving an opinion because I care about this RP and want to see it succeed...and suddenly changing the RP's premise before it even gets started is just bad taste. If it wasn't changed, then it should have just been explained better.

@Rune_Alchemist

Nothing was changed. In fact, I had this information in the very first post. All them bright colorful letters? Yeah, they serve a purpose. And not once in those colorful letters did it state: "this is a guild with a shit ton of dragon slayers, yay!" In fact, and I'm going to pull a direct quote here, I said this: "Well, Dragons Cry is home to not only one, but multiple dragon slayers, as well as a popular idol!"
You see the difference? It says "Multiple" not "Primarily."

If you still feel like leaving, that's up to you. But we aren't changing anything simply because you feel it's possible. It's breaking canon, and if you want a rp fan fiction that breaks canon laws of the universe, you're more than free to go make your own rp focused on a guild with a hundred or so slayers.

[Oni_]

@Neo Is Delight@AngelofOctober

Alright, thanks for clearing that up for me. I completely get where you guys are coming from now, I think my comprehension issue was sprouting from the fact that, like I mentioned, I haven't read Fairy Tail in ages so most of the canon and power levels is a vague memory to me, I just like the setting and premise. Also to a lesser extent, it may just have been because I mostly write for TTRPG's so that idea of a power creep is something I'm used to being just completely normal, which obviously in an RP like this it's something you need to avoid. The end game here isn't becoming literal Gods and/or god-slayers - after all, we've already established dragon-slayers is a more reasonable target amiright?

I'll write up a second character, no sweat. If you're planning teams that make my troubles melt away - limited interaction is fine. I just hate the idea of suddenly having two people weigh in on conversations when I control both of them, posts become too long and nothing moves forward during it. Hope you don't mind me rehashing an old character? Give it a bit of a rub and buff?

[AngelofOctober]

@Neo Is Delight@AngelofOctober

Alright, thanks for clearing that up for me. I completely get where you guys are coming from now, I think my comprehension issue was sprouting from the fact that, like I mentioned, I haven't read Fairy Tail in ages so most of the canon and power levels is a vague memory to me, I just like the setting and premise. Also to a lesser extent, it may just have been because I mostly write for TTRPG's so that idea of a power creep is something I'm used to being just completely normal, which obviously in an RP like this it's something you need to avoid. The end game here isn't becoming literal Gods and/or god-slayers - after all, we've already established dragon-slayers is a more reasonable target amiright?

I'll write up a second character, no sweat. If you're planning teams that make my troubles melt away - limited interaction is fine. I just hate the idea of suddenly having two people weigh in on conversations when I control both of them, posts become too long and nothing moves forward during it. Hope you don't mind me rehashing an old character? Give it a bit of a rub and buff?

@Oni_

Awesome. Thank you Oni. Can't wait to see what you come up with! And yes we plan for teams because what's more fun than teams.

[Rune_Alchemist]

@AngelofOctober

You keep using the word 'Argue' I am not trying to argue anything. I was stating opinion in hopes of having a civil discussion, but this is the internet so I suppose that's not possible. It happens more often than not when someone tries to get a better understanding of something. I wasn't trying to say you were wrong about anything. I just wanted to better understand your reasoning. I admit, I may have had a bit of a misunderstanding when I read the interest check about a guild that is going to focus on dragon slayers. To me, that reads 'Primarily Dragon Slayers'

You keep assuming I'm trying to start something...when I am not. There is no need to 'put your foot down' when I didn't even suggest you were wrong. I just said I would agree to disagree.

@Neo Is Delight

And we're already breaking cannon by having more dragon slayers regardless, but maybe that's just me.

Either way, I don't really have any interest in taking part in Standard Fairy Tail RP # 1 bajillion, so I will be withdrawing completely and removing my CS from the Character tab and the second one from the last page.

I bid you both good luck with the RP and hope it goes well for you.

[Spanner]

@AngelofOctober@Neo Is Delight
...
Ok, that's it for me. I already felt a little compelled to leave after all the discussions started to appear and how similar to some unpleasant peeps I've RPed with before you (Specifically Angel) acted - after all they were what made me avoid FT RPs for quite a while - and now I made my mind: I'll take the opportunity and drop the RP while I'm still not attached to it.

I already have many characters and little time anyway so I'd rather not get into a RP that'll end up making me mad instead of offering somewhere to play a little and distract me from all the stressful situations I face in my daily life.

P.s.
Please don't take any offense from this, even comparing you to this certain person in my past is hardly something I did with the objective of being offensive (specially since I was friendly to the person in question for quite a while before starting to avoid them) and I'm merely mentioning it to give some light about my reasons to leave. In the end, it all resumes to how I ain't prepared to get into random discussions - that'll undoubtedly happen by what I could see until now - and how this OOC away too heated for me in despite of the RP being in its initial stage.

Anyway, I still bid you good luck in your RP and hope that it'll be sucessful. Sorry for the bother.

[Neo Is Delight]

@AngelofOctober

You keep using the word 'Argue' I am not trying to argue anything. I was stating opinion in hopes of having a civil discussion, but this is the internet so I suppose that's not possible. It happens more often than not when someone tries to get a better understanding of something. I wasn't trying to say you were wrong about anything. I just wanted to better understand your reasoning. I admit, I may have had a bit of a misunderstanding when I read the interest check about a guild that is going to focus on dragon slayers. To me, that reads 'Primarily Dragon Slayers'

You keep assuming I'm trying to start something...when I am not. There is no need to 'put your foot down' when I didn't even suggest you were wrong. I just said I would agree to disagree.

@Neo Is Delight

And we're already breaking cannon by having more dragon slayers regardless, but maybe that's just me.

Either way, I don't really have any interest in taking part in Standard Fairy Tail RP # 1 bajillion, so I will be withdrawing completely and removing my CS from the Character tab and the second one from the last page.

I bid you both good luck with the RP and hope it goes well for you.

@Rune_Alchemist

You most certainly had a misunderstanding, as I did not state in the interest check it was about a guild focusing on dragon slayers. I said I wanted the rp to be focused on them, before realizing the flaws, and that there was one arc planned around them, nowhere's was it said that dragon slayers were the focus of the guild.

Your character will be missed, but I wish you luck in any future endeavors.

Anyway, I still bid you good luck in your RP and hope that it'll be sucessful. Sorry for the bother.

@Spanner

You will be missed as well, but I'll also wish you luck in future endeavors.

[Etranger]

Wow, so this is what I woke up to.

I have nothing against anyone here, but I think I'm just going to skedaddle quietly.

[Natsume Honnaji]

Alright alright fellows, settle down, no need for so much bickering

[Tenma Tendo]

@Spanner@Rune_Alchemist Aw, sorry to hear you two go. I was looking forward to rping with you guys. Hopefully our paths will cross again! ^^

@Neo Is Delight@AngelofOctober Also, I edited my character with the revisions that you mentioned. If there's anything wrong with the cs just let me know. I could also make another character if needed.

[Hitman]

Honestly, if you people are just going to be hostile there's no point in me being here.

[Neo Is Delight]

Okay, I'm going to say something on this before everyone leaves:

We were not being hostile. While it may seem like that, we were perfectly within our rights as GMs. We stated something, and gave perfectly valid reasons as to why it was that way. Rune's 'opinion' disputed our reasons as to why we said what was said, and regardless of what you call it, if you go out of your way to dispute the reasons for something the GM said, it's arguing against that statement.
So, with that in mind, while it's possible it could have been handled better, it shouldn't have occurred in the first place. Such matters will be handled better in the future if they should occur again.

With that said, if anyone still want's to leave, they're more than free to.

@Tenma Tendo
As for your character, I haven't really read everything, but of what I have read I like them. =^.^=

[AngelofOctober]

@Agent 47@Etranger@Spanner

To everyone. Before you hightail and leave, my intentions were not to respond to Rune in a hostile manner. If I came off as hostile, I do apologize. I speak directly and often sternly when I feel something needs to be addressed and it may have come off as rudeness.

If you give me a chance, then I do not normally GM in that fashion. But please, before you run off take it from my perspective. I believe that responsibility is a two way street. I admit I may have misunderstood Rune’s tone, for that I will take responsibility and saw I shouldn’t have responded in the manner I did. But from my point of view as GM, when a member persist, and persist, and persist to continue to thwart our opinions it does look like arguing.

If perhaps the wording would have been different, “I do not agree, can I tell you why?” or “Will you guys hear me out and let me explain my opinion?” Is a much different language than just going, “well I don’t see it that way, because of this reasons and if I had known that you guys weren’t doing it this way,etc.” you can see it coming as confrontational.

I am sorry you had to witness that from me. Please do not see one side of things and leave. We all made a mistake in this conversation. I’ll take the brunt of it, as I always do no matter if I am right or wrong because to me that’s not what is important. It’s about talking out resolutions and coming to an understanding.I am not in the right. There was no one to blame, but a misunderstanding.