The Political Thread

[mdk]

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Granted, the American conservative movement has always more or less been the Coolidge/Reagan/Ben Shapiro type. The point I was trying to make was that Democrats are synonymous to liberal, and that Republicans are synonymous to conservative. I do agree that American conservatism is based on values similar to those of the classical liberal movement as a whole, and it's interesting to see the honest shift Trump is making. While I don't agree with every facet of his policy, it really is interesting to see how he's led to the polarized left and right to expose themselves (although he isn't really bringing them together by any means). It's refreshing to see CNN criticize everything he says and FOX circlejerk everything he does, because at least you know to trust both equally low.

@HachiRoku

I think what we're finding is that "Conservative = Republican" and "Liberal = Democrat" has been a fraud and the conservatives (and liberals) are done with it. Republicans did not want Trump; Trump spanked them. Democrats did not want Bernie (so they rigged the primary and bought him off); the establishment is losing its control though.

It's easy to overplay the significance while we're in the moment though. Ocasio-Cortez could be a ripple. Trump could be a ripple. Will any of it (beyond the SCOTUS picks) last? Is there still an establishment (on either side of the aisle) in six years? That's what I wanna know. Hopefully the answer is "no, and term limits in Congress will prevent another one from rising ever again." But that's awfully optimistic.

[HachiRoku]

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I think what we're finding is that "Conservative = Republican" and "Liberal = Democrat" has been a fraud and the conservatives (and liberals) are done with it. Republicans did not want Trump; Trump spanked them. Democrats did not want Bernie (so they rigged the primary and bought him off); the establishment is losing its control though.

It's easy to overplay the significance while we're in the moment though. Ocasio-Cortez could be a ripple. Trump could be a ripple. Will any of it (beyond the SCOTUS picks) last? Is there still an establishment (on either side of the aisle) in six years? That's what I wanna know. Hopefully the answer is "no, and term limits in Congress will prevent another one from rising ever again." But that's awfully optimistic.

@mdk

In my best case scenario the 'media outsiders' like Philip DeFranco, Dave Rubin, Ben Shapiro, etc. get some foothold/political capital, but we all know that's a long shot. When considering something a bit more practical, I just want them to overtake the TV media in influence. It's sickening to see them become establishment ideologues, and profiting off of controversy/tragedy. The reason they're like that in the first place is a result of their environment. The only way they can ever get views or ratings is by capitalizing off some sort of "crazy event", be it a shooting or Trump 'scandal'. Of course, this is only a negatively repetitive cycle, so my only hope is that the spiral hits a bottom.

Regarding Congress/SCOTUS, I would kill to see the end of two things: polarization and establishment. If we could use term limits or some other means to get the corrupt establishment out on both sides and free up the media, maybe then people will learn to view things objectively rather than from one side of the spectrum.

[Pepperm1nts]

EDIT: I just realized I don't give enough of a shit to argue about it so nevermind this post.

[Dolerman]

Dave Rubin is a Shill.

[Pepperm1nts]

If anyone still takes Dave Rubin serious after the Joe Rogan podcast I feel bad for them. Dave Rubin is the epitome of an intellectual lightweight. He's an idiot and a sell-out. It saddens me that we're at a point where people that dumb are idolized.

[Burning Kitty]

There is nothing wrong with selling out. In fact not selling out is beyond stupid, those who don’t sell out should not be listened to ever. Especially in all things financial.

[Polymorpheus]

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[Dolerman]

There is nothing wrong with selling out. In fact not selling out is beyond stupid, those who don’t sell out should not be listened to ever. Especially in all things financial.

@Burning Kitty

How about people who pretend to be right wing-edgy because they think they are playing an RP character, should they be listened to ever?

[Dolerman]

If anyone still takes Dave Rubin serious after the Joe Rogan podcast I feel bad for them. Dave Rubin is the epitome of an intellectual lightweight. He's an idiot and a sell-out. It saddens me that we're at a point where people that dumb are idolized.

@Pepperm1nts

I'm no fan of TYT but this provides a lot of context to Mr Rubin.

[Burning Kitty]

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How about people who pretend to be right wing-edgy because they think they are playing an RP character, should they be listened to ever?

@Dynamo Frokane

If you agree with what someone says doesn’t matter if that are pretending or not. All of life is an rp, we all play a different character based on the situation, some refer to that as masks I tailored it for here.

[HachiRoku]

@Dynamo Frokane
Honestly, I find that things like TYT on the left or Milo on the right are a hindrance to civil discussion on both sides. Their whole thing is to paint the other side as the 'bad guy' and provoke the other into doing the same thing, leading to an even bigger political rift. I'm personally on the liberal capitalist side of politics, but people who just attack the other side regardless of affiliation do nothing to make the political climate better off.

[Dolerman]

@HachiRoku I'm basically with you, and as a european probably fall into the same mostly-liberal-but-capitalist bracket as you. But not all call outs are the same, TYT have definately engaged in childish name calling and unhelpful insults a bunch of times. But on this subject of Dave Rubin they seem to be on the money. And to be fair, they definitely aren't the first to criticize him as lazy and clueless.

Like @Pepperm1nts said, have you seen his Joe Rogan interview?

[mickilennial]

US Court: "Detroit Students Have No Right to Access to Literacy"

Access to Literacy is not a Constitutional Right Judge in Detroit rules

Just going to drop these in here. I'm not even sure what to think about my city at this point.

[PrinceAlexus]

US Court: "Detroit Students Have No Right to Access to Literacy"

Access to Literacy is not a Constitutional Right Judge in Detroit rules

Just going to drop these in here. I'm not even sure what to think about my city at this point.

@Inkarnate

Detroits been dying for a long time, i thought id seen the peak US crazy level but aparently not.

[Polymorpheus]

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[PrinceAlexus]

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If you think there's a maximum possible amount of crazy to America, boy do I have some news for you!

@catchamber

True... Kanye considered even running for president... :(

[TheMadAsshatter]

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True... Kanye considered even running for president... :(

@PrinceAlexus

Sad thing is people would actually vote for him, and I think he'd actually win. I swear to god, the last two elections I've been cognizant enough to really understand both felt like popularity contests. If Kanye-Dickhead seriously ran for president, I'd be seriously scared that he'd actually win. He'd win liberals over for the same reason Trump won conservatives over. He's an outsider, though arguably more dangerous than Trump because beyond having no basis in politics, he also has no real basis in economics or business. His advisers would have to be the best in their fields to keep him from making some really stupid fucking decisions.

[mdk]

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Sad thing is people would actually vote for him, and I think he'd actually win. I swear to god, the last two elections I've been cognizant enough to really understand both felt like popularity contests. If Kanye-Dickhead seriously ran for president, I'd be seriously scared that he'd actually win. He'd win liberals over for the same reason Trump won conservatives over. He's an outsider, though arguably more dangerous than Trump because beyond having no basis in politics, he also has no real basis in economics or business. His advisers would have to be the best in their fields to keep him from making some really stupid fucking decisions.

@TheMadAsshatter

You should google how liberals think about Kanye now. I don't think he's winning them over. Then again the next election doesn't start for a year, that's like.... 50 new "worst outrage ever"s from now, maybe they'd forget by then.

[Dolerman]

Kanye has been manipulating the right and left black and white, urban and suburban to sell albums for years. He's an absolute lunatic, but his ability to market himself has been unquestionable. He could run and he could win. Like @TheMadAsshatter says, it's the cult of personality. Celebrity culture has been closer and closer to tipping over into american politics for so long now, Jesse Ventura, Arnold Schwartzenegger and Donald Trump was the full tilt. Expect to see a lot of Kanyes, Dwayne Johnsons and Oprahs in the white house for the next few decades.

[mdk]

I'm actually okay with that too. Savvy/competent presidents give us NSA spy rings and Fast and Furious gunrunning ops and AGs who know how to smother such things. Donald Trump (whatever else he may be) is easy to scrutinize. If we were able to do so in a civilized manner (like maybe if we had more practice, say, another six years?) that might actually be a fantastic thing. Also if they weren't, you know, grabbing them by the bodyparts, that would probably help keep things civil, but you take what you can get, you live, you learn.