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She actually starred in Mother! Which is probably more disturbing than Saya for most people and it still got a bunch of awards


No it didn't. It also barely broke even and was an incredibly polarizing movie (for some reason, considering it was trash). The only award of any actual note or merit it was even considered for was the Golden Raspberries.

This isn't anywhere near the first movie where sexual themes are explored with a non-human entity. It was pulled off with Under The Skin, Teeth, Splice, and it's predecessor 'Species' and pretty much any 'weird science' type movie with a higher than 12 rating. These movies get made.


Under the Skin and Species present the non-human entity as the antagonists, Teeth is a comedy where basically non-consensual sex is the trigger for castration via vagina. These are different things outside of the vague similarity of 'horror' or 'science fiction' with 'naked girl'.

Saya no Uta isn't trying to make some broader point like Under the Skin does - where the sexual aspect is purposely downplayed - it's literally a game about a childish Shoggoth cannibal and the irredeemable fuck that enables her. He is rewarded by his deeds and for the entire climax of the story - and thus a film adaptation - it would have to literally sell the relationship in a way that a film would likely not accomplish nearly as well as it should. And this is without going into the logistics of making the meat world play well on screen.

Women being eaten by monsters is about as old as cinema itself so I don't even know why you're pretending that is an issue.


Because movies don't tend to actually show human people eating severed limbs. When monsters eat people in movies it's either bloodless (see: Jurassic World), it cuts to black, or it cuts away as the human is dropped into the mouth. Other times it's shit where something familiar, like a shark, eats someone and all there is is the blood on the water. That's quite a bit different than having two people casually eat a person over the dinner table and using the jelly shit is even sillier to imagine on camera as it was in the confines of the story.

Just because movies have done something doesn't mean it's done well.

Being turned into a fuckslave would be controversial but could be fairly tame if the shift it more to a 'timid servant' and play up the fact that she had a crush/ was already attracted to the main character so the sex isn't non-con just being turned into a Cthulhu is the main source of anguish.


There is no scenario in which a poorly written character like whatshername who exists in the plot solely to become fuckslave is done well - especially not in the current climate around Hollywood. Even if you take away the fuckslave part and make her mindless maid on a collar or whatever, that's not a character or role that will go over well and is better stripped from the script altogether.

You seem to forget there were 3 supporting female characters in Saya No Uta. The Doctor was essentially the anti-hero adversary. Hollywood continues to get away with far far far worse in regards to female representation so I can't see this being a problem.


I barely consider the friends to be characters. They're basically the first victims in a slasher movie. The supporting cast as a whole was pretty under-developed since that's not what people came for. Hollywood is far, far, far from perfect or ideal when it comes to great roles for actresses, but any adaptation of this work would need massive re-writes or else they just cast unknowns on the cheap but then you lose out on people who see movies based on name recognition.

'Feeds on Semen' is a unnecessary eroge detail to amp up the blowjob scenes. The analogy is clear, she is a black widow spider/brood mother/plague. They could easily change it to 'his sexual energy' or 'his life force' and nothing is really going to be lost in adaptation in terms of plot.


Yeah and then people are laughing in the theater as characters talk about 'sexual energy' as if they're watching a shitty hentai.

Oh wait.

Once you remove the unnecessary shit Saya isn't as hard to adapt as your trying to make it out to be.


It's not as simple as you're trying to make it seem. It would require major rewrites for market appeal but the appeal is already super low. It would work better as an independent film where they can get away with more but then they'd have to have good fucking luck at getting it screened in major theaters. Just because something works in one medium doesn't mean it'll make the transition to another smoothly.

In other news, Aquaman was a garbage movie.
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No it didn't. It also barely broke even and was an incredibly polarizing movie (for some reason, considering it was trash). The only award of any actual note or merit it was even considered for was the Golden Raspberries.


I meant nominations. And barely breaking even is still breaking even. You can make disturbing movies in the west with A-listers attatched which was what you were arguing before the goalpost shift.

Saya no Uta isn't trying to make some broader point like Under the Skin does - where the sexual aspect is purposely downplayed - it's literally a game about a childish Shoggoth cannibal and the irredeemable fuck that enables her.


The Guro-verse is an allegory for insanity, isolation and depression. He sees the world in the way that no one else does after an accident he didn't ask for. Maybe you forget but he was living like this for 3 months before meeting Saya. Everyone keeps portraying fumonori like some sociopathic dick. He was a normal person until he had to endure an existance where everything looks gruesome, tastes gruesome, sounds terrifying and smells and feels like a murder scene. I challenge anyone to go 3 fucking days living like that without losing empathy for the world let alone 3 goddamn months.

There are plenty of points to made about the very interesting dyanmic he has with Saya. He is sacaraficing his real humanity in so he can experience a level of false humanity because he is at a suicidal point of despair. She is the only thing that appears anything like the normality he had before the accident, and it makes perfect sense he will do anything to hang on to that.

Saya is also fascinating. She is a being with feelings and a self image just like any human. She just happens to eat living flesh. Not too different than a well meaning mountain lion as a pet. Her only contact with people is the psycho 'father' that brought her into this world and the desperately depressed fuminori. Her moral compass wasn't exactly in the most healthy place to begin with. She makes some attempt to refrain from eating human at first and just feeds on animals. She is even initially reluctant to let Fumi eat the first person she kills before he tells her it makes him happy. They enable each other but are both mostly ignorant at this point of the morals of their actions.

They only both cross the line into becoming genocidal fuckers when Saya is assualted by the neighbour because of her selfish idea to find another person to call her pretty. Reckless yes, but with understandable motivations.

After this point the game is pretty clear in its shift in protaganists. Its then a race to stop the evil plot by fuminori and saya by Koji and the Doctor and the narrative plays them with appropriate level of sympathy.

He is rewarded by his deeds and for the entire climax of the story - and thus a film adaptation - it would have to literally sell the relationship in a way that a film would likely not accomplish nearly as well as it should. And this is without going into the logistics of making the meat world play well on screen.


He gets maybe 4 half decent meals and a threesome before the love of his life dissipates into the ether. It's bittersweet at best and its only one of the endings.

Gen doesn't frame any of them as the 'true' ending they are just as viable as each other. If we are going by length then the 'Koji Wins' would be the true ending which in turn is a 'he who fights monsters' theme to wrap the story up.

There is also the mental asylum ending, which probably could work really well for a film adaptation.

There is no scenario in which a poorly written character like whatshername who exists in the plot solely to become fuckslave is done well - especially not in the current climate around Hollywood. Even if you take away the fuckslave part and make her mindless maid on a collar or whatever, that's not a character or role that will go over well and is better stripped from the script altogether


I mean maybe, but you could even take the fucking out and just have her as a 'captive' who is just there to be a call back to Fumi's previous life and to demonstrate Saya's growing power of genetic manipulation. If anyone plays these games thinking the sex is important to the story they are playing it wrong.

I barely consider the friends to be characters. They're basically the first victims in a slasher movie. The supporting cast as a whole was pretty under-developed since that's not what people came for. Hollywood is far, far, far from perfect or ideal when it comes to great roles for actresses, but any adaptation of this work would need massive re-writes or else they just cast unknowns on the cheap but then you lose out on people who see movies based on name recognition.


I mean yeah....its a horror story so there are going to be victims. This is no different then any other half decent horror flick where 80% of the main cast get killed off just to show the brutality of the killer and only a couple or one of the survivors becomes the hero. I'm not saying that this aspect has to be a ground breaking deconstruction of the genre. The story is still about a flesh eating monster.

Koji isnt a great character but he makes sense as the former friend who is seeing someone he's known all his life change. The Doctor IS an interesting character, living a double life as a even mannered psychiatrist when shes really a half crazed obsessed conspiracy theorist with a violent mission.

Yeah and then people are laughing in the theater as characters talk about 'sexual energy' as if they're watching a shitty hentai.

Oh wait.


Ah yes, something as fantastical as sexual energy would suspend the disbelief of the relatable and realistic act of putting your dick into a Cthulhu.

It's not as simple as you're trying to make it seem. It would require major rewrites for market appeal but the appeal is already super low. It would work better as an independent film where they can get away with more but then they'd have to have good fucking luck at getting it screened in major theaters. Just because something works in one medium doesn't mean it'll make the transition to another smoothly.


You didnt just move the goal post you created an entirely different one and moving them around at the same time.

I never said the movie was going to spawn the next marvel universe franchise, I said it could be made. It would have a niche audience but the crossover from Visual Novel Weebs, Lovecraft fanatics, and Neckbeards who like psychogical horror with fucking might be enough to justify a limited release.

I also don't remember saying that it should get a major release I said the film could be made.

I also never said that some aspects wouldn't have to be re-written I'm saying the film could retain enough of the important themes without them. They managed to adapt The Road without keeping the fetus barbecue scene in the novel. They also managed to adapt IT twice without the sewer orgy. Saya adaptation is really straightforward, if I had any idea about screenwriting I could do it myself.

In other news, Aquaman was a garbage movie.


I also heard that water is wet.
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I meant nominations. And barely breaking even is still breaking even. You can make disturbing movies in the west with A-listers attatched which was what you were arguing before the goalpost shift.


You didn't mean nominations. You literally said it got awards, not nominations. Those are two completely different things. My argument isn't 'you can't make disturbing movies with A-listers', my argument is 'it won't be financially viable and in this specific case the source material is not good film material unless you literally rewrite it and then it's not even the same thing'.

The Guro-verse is an allegory for insanity, isolation and depression. He sees the world in the way that no one else does after an accident he didn't ask for. Maybe you forget but he was living like this for 3 months before meeting Saya. Everyone keeps portraying fumonori like some sociopathic dick. He was a normal person until he had to endure an existance where everything looks gruesome, tastes gruesome, sounds terrifying and smells and feels like a murder scene. I challenge anyone to go 3 fucking days living like that without losing empathy for the world let alone 3 goddamn months.


Cool motive, still murder.

There are plenty of points to made about the very interesting dyanmic he has with Saya. He is sacaraficing his real humanity in so he can experience a level of false humanity because he is at a suicidal point of despair. She is the only thing that appears anything like the normality he had before the accident, and it makes perfect sense he will do anything to hang on to that.


Dress it up all you like, he's still fucking a formless pile of sludge that looks and acts like a little girl.

Gen doesn't frame any of them as the 'true' ending they are just as viable as each other. If we are going by length then the 'Koji Wins' would be the true ending which in turn is a 'he who fights monsters' theme to wrap the story up.


Somehow I think the ending with the happiest outcome for the protagonists complete with the theme and image song playing over credits counts as the true ending.

There is also the mental asylum ending, which probably could work really well for a film adaptation.


The best possible outcome for a film adaptation is not having the crazy Shoggoth fucker as the protagonist.

I mean maybe, but you could even take the fucking out and just have her as a 'captive' who is just there to be a call back to Fumi's previous life and to demonstrate Saya's growing power of genetic manipulation. If anyone plays these games thinking the sex is important to the story they are playing it wrong.


Saya no Uta is like the one eroge where the sex is important to the story though.

Koji isnt a great character but he makes sense as the former friend who is seeing someone he's known all his life change. The Doctor IS an interesting character, living a double life as a even mannered psychiatrist when shes really a half crazed obsessed conspiracy theorist with a violent mission.


The only characters that are given remotely any spotlight and attention are crazy guy and his Shoggoth waifu for obvious reasons. The Doctor only gets to field the dual role because the story has like five fucking characters and none of them are allowed to develop beyond the initial surface which is why it's jarring.

Ah yes, something as fantastical as sexual energy would suspend the disbelief of the relatable and realistic act of putting your dick into a Cthulhu.


She's not a Cthulhu.

You didnt just move the goal post you created an entirely different one and moving them around at the same time.


You would know, skipper.

I never said the movie was going to spawn the next marvel universe franchise, I said it could be made.


Cool goalposts, sport.

It would have a niche audience but the crossover from Visual Novel Weebs, Lovecraft fanatics, and Neckbeards who like psychogical horror with fucking might be enough to justify a limited release.


Yeah because Ghost in the Shell set the world on fire. This hypothetical audience you're talking about is incredibly small even by casual estimates and horror movies already struggle to do well unless it has super positive word of mouth like IT or A Quiet Place or if it's part of a franchise and made on the cheap like Paranormal Activity or The Conjuring. A limited release is not going to reach this incredibly narrow audience and it's not going to earn its cost of production.

I also don't remember saying that it should get a major release I said the film could be made.


And I said it wouldn't be good regardless and even mentioned an independent production but again good luck putting that together.

I also never said that some aspects wouldn't have to be re-written I'm saying the film could retain enough of the important themes without them. They managed to adapt The Road without keeping the fetus barbecue scene in the novel. They also managed to adapt IT twice without the sewer orgy.


Neither of those examples are core to the narratives being told in the same way that sex, love, and swallowing after blowjobs is to the porn story about fucking a Lovecraft. If you start chopping away all the familiar and important bits you're left with a product that shares the name and little else. It's like having a character who in the source material is hideously scarred and maimed as a character trait and then in the movie version you just give her pretty face like a single cut on the cheek because otherwise audiences wouldn't buy into the romance.

Saya adaptation is really straightforward, if I had any idea about screenwriting I could do it myself.


As someone who has written screenplays it's really not complicated.

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you know since everyone is talking about Bird Box, me and my family watched it together, and it had some enjoyable parts to it, like the acting is really nice, Sandra Bullock does a nice job here. I don't have a whole lot of complaints, I know people are bitching about the "Rules" of the monsters but i honestly didn't care about all of that? Like sometimes it just kind of feels like people go into movies with the express purpose of finding the things that they know they won't like, and not watching the movie for the positive aspects to it.

Bird Box wasn't like complete trash in my opinion like other people online are saying, but it wasn't the best movie i had ever seen. Like I enjoyed Wreck It Ralph two more, and that's not an insult I think both of these films are good, I just enjoyed one more than the other, and just because a movie is made for kids doesn't make it inferior or any less significant in the world of cinema. So please don't @ me with the "But Wreck It Ralph is a kids film". I liked the mystery of the monsters and how we never got to see them. It was just like your brain was making the horror for you or something, idk how to explain it better than that.

i wasn't all that scared, but the story was interesting.
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I was finally able to catch The Outcasts. And while I know it's probably trash in some eyes, to me it was tasteful trash. A majority of the cast is composed of actors/actresses I happen to like a lot such as Victoria Justice, Ashley Rickards, and Avan Jogia (to name a few). If you enjoy it for what it was and don't dig too much into how cheesy it was at times, it makes for a very enjoyable watch.
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Anyone get that sneaking suspicion the same people rating Glass favorably are the same that thought The Visit was a good movie too?

Well Escape Room turned out to be as Sony as I expected it to be from reviews. It's a good thing this anime season has a few decent shows because the theater's current releases still look kind of miserable...
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As someone that's been something of an Academy Awards apologist even with its incredibly stupid means of patting itself on the back for 'inclusion' to seem less like a bunch of old fogies...the nominations for Best Picture this year are fucking dogshit.
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why is black panther nominated for so many fucking things
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why is black panther nominated for so many fucking things


Because it was a cultural phenomenon and the Academy wants to boost ratings and what better way than to have an excuse to get the Avengers on stage.
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its ok bee it wont win any real awards
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In a year with Avengers: Endgame I didn't think the real super hero team up would be the cast of Frozen vs the season of autumn.
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No, my entire point is that brendan frasier and nathan fillion are just examples of a very overused and long standing character trope that was around way before and will be around way after chris pratt.

Ive not seen moneyball but Zero Dark Thrity? It was a dramamtic film sure, but Chris Pratt was in it for about 17 mins and he cracked 2 jokes and held a gun in a brief shooting scene. Hardly a 'dramatic turn'.

Im not even saying he's a crap actor, I'm saying he's nothing new, interesting or special.


I actually like Nathan Fillion, and not just because he's a fellow Canadian. I enjoyed him as Malcolm Reynolds on Firefly, and I used to find Castle funny when it first came out. I just haven't watched 'law enforcement team' shows since William Petersen left CSI.

Chris Pratt is only enjoyable when he's playing a total ass-hat like Star Lord in a kid's film full of other shoddy performances. He was intolerable in Jurrasic World, and the film was hot garbage to begin with. I saw him in some drama with his female counterpart, Jennifer Lawrence. I'll at least give her American Hustle, she played a good part in that movie, for what it was.

They are both a perfect representation of today's film audience. It's on the viewer, not the actor. Hollywood runs on data, and psychology, nothing else. Every move made is calculated and projected trice over.
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It's almost like movie studios want to make money in this multi million dollar industry and charismatic screen presences make for popular casting choices due to familiarity with the common audience. Put two white hot people in a movie together and people will see it even if it sucks like Passengers (that'd be the Pratt/Lawrence disaster) which was the second highest grossing original live-action film of that year.

Viewers have enjoyed popcorn entertainment for years and it's only going to be that way until the formula breaks.
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i wish that passengers didnt suck i do like christopher pratt
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Bad Times At The El Royale is a movie that feels like the director wanted to make a Tarantino movie for better or for worse but Chris Hemsworth's massive big dick energy saved it in the end.
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Because it was a cultural phenomenon and the Academy wants to boost ratings and what better way than to have an excuse to get the Avengers on stage.

Seems to have worked despite only giving it the awards people expected it to be awarded.
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Captain Marvel was bland as shit.
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Captain Marvel was bland as shit.


The problem with Captain Marvel was that it was a Phase 1 movie in a Phase 3 world, which isn't a bad thing it's just an unfortunate part of living in an entertainment world dominated consistently by Marvel movies. It had the reverse Wonder Woman problem where Captain Marvel started weak and found its footing while Wonder Woman had an okay start and constantly stumbled into its godawful final third.
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Seems to have worked despite only giving it the awards people expected it to be awarded.


I'm still upset that Green Book won.
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I'm still upset that Green Book won.

I really wanted The Favourite to get it.
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