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Meanwhile Zachary will just casually ignore that...


What did you mean by that?
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What did you mean by that?


What is with people and not bothering to read sheets?

Alright so Zachary has Meta Immortality and Unbound, which are as follows...

Meta-Immortality (0): You are eternal and invincible on a metaphysical level, and your state of existence is beyond time, space, and causality, immune to harm from all conceivable sources, even of a metaphysical or abstract nature. You cannot die, even on a conceptual level, by any means at all. Along with eternal being, you also possess eternal agency; you cannot be bound, entrapped, or otherwise imprisoned, nor can your will and self be altered or manipulated; you will always have the full capability to do that which is your will to do, immunizing you from the effects of manipulations or restraint of any kind. Should the local universe, multiverse, omniverse, or even the Verse itself or all Verses be compromised, then you will continue to exist in spite of this, and, if you so choose, may remain unconscious and unaware of the passage of time until the natural forces of creation reconstitute existence. You are exempt from the negative side effects of living an infinite life, such as boredom, ennui, depression, mental instability, and so on, if those emotions or any other effects like them were to be caused by the fact that you live an eternal life. If you should ever wish to pass on from this life, you may do so freely and enter into an afterlife of your choosing, and may return to life whenever you desire to, and, if you are so inclined, reincarnate into whatever form of natural life is fitting for you throughout the cosmos. You are eternally in your prime, are immune to the effects of age, and possess perfect mental and physical faculties, meaning that you will never lose your soundness of mind or become unable to recall events from millions or even billions of years ago.

Unbound (0): You possess true and transcendent freedom from all authority and wills other than your own. You self is inviolate and unchained by that which once abated you; good and evil, truth and lies, one and all. Because your self is inviolate, and you are thus unbound by causality, fate, the past, the present, or the future, there are no longer versions of yourself that exist in alternate worlds, times, or spaces, and you yourself encompass all that is and ever will be called "you," making you a Versal Constant. You cannot have your ascent prevented via retroactive alteration through time travel or similar abilities, nor can you have your actions subverted in any way; just as your self is inviolate, so to is your will; nothing can influence your decisions or desires but your own will and pleasure; your will is your own, and temptation, manipulation, irrationality, and the like will not inhibit it. Similarly, you are completely freed from emotions you do not wish to experience, and are unbound by psychological or biological factors in your wellbeing or personal state. You may experience whatever emotions or sensations you desire, and may adjust your mental and emotional state to whatever is desirable to you.


I'm just saying, Ded can't actually do anything to him. Nothing in any Existence could really, except maybe another Living God of equal power, though even then it'd most likely be a stalemate.

Assuming he wanted to fight to begin with.
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@Caldizar

We don't really use sheets here, plus not reading gives less chance to meta-game, and leaves it to the character's actions to discover about them.

It's fine that you did a sheet, I'm just saying for the record.
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We don't really use sheets here, plus not reading gives less chance to meta-game, and leaves it to the character's actions to discover about them.

It's fine that you did a sheet, I'm just saying for the record.


I'm aware, but seeing how I made Zachary using an overpowered god CYOA, you need the sheet.

Besides it's literally impossible to meta-game him in actuality. The only reason he works here is because I'm not having him want to use his power. Or at least the full breadth of it.
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Another reason I stress reading his sheet is so I don't have to explain something twice, and also so no one gets upset if he does use his powers. I've had this happen before mind, where some lazy twat doesn't read what my character can actually do and then gets pissy when I proceed to do said thing.

I really don't want a repeat of that, especially not here, so please take some time to read his sheet and then the CYOA authors lore on what a Verse is. That way you know who Zachary is as a Living God, and the scale his powers actually operate on. Like I'm not using his full might because that doesn't fit him as a character at this point in his arc, but what little he can use is still extremely broken, and I'd prefer you know that beforehand so no ones fun gets ruined.
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Another reason I stress reading his sheet is so I don't have to explain something twice, and also so no one gets upset if he does use his powers. I've had this happen before mind, where some lazy twat doesn't read what my character can actually do and then gets pissy when I proceed to do said thing.

I really don't want a repeat of that, especially not here, so please take some time to read his sheet and then the CYOA authors lore on what a Verse is. That way you know who Zachary is as a Living God, and the scale his powers actually operate on. Like I'm not using his full might because that doesn't fit him as a character at this point in his arc, but what little he can use is still extremely broken, and I'd prefer you know that beforehand so no ones fun gets ruined.


No worries, I get that. But I have a few questions. The "Verse" explanation seems very similar to that of "Existence" as we define it here. Is your intention that they *are* the same thing, or that one exists within the other, or are you saying that the "Verse" is a different Plane, for example? I'm just trying to figure out how things will interact since the "Verse" does fundamentally differ in some ways from "Existence".
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No worries, I get that. But I have a few questions. The "Verse" explanation seems very similar to that of "Existence" as we define it here. Is your intention that they *are* the same thing, or that one exists within the other, or are you saying that the "Verse" is a different Plane, for example? I'm just trying to figure out how things will interact since the "Verse" does fundamentally differ in some ways from "Existence".


They are the same thing, but using different terms. The author of that CYOA essentially intended for Verses to be their own Existences containing omniverses and such along with our own universe from what the lore they wrote says. I will point out that since Zachary has Anarchic Verses on his sheet, it naturally implies the existence of many other Verses and Existences, not all of which are necessarily similar. In Zachary's case, his Verse or Existence does not have any of the OCs or organizations from MR, merely official works like Marvel and such, along with some organizations found in the CYOA.

Essentially, his Verse is another Existence in the Outside, it's just different in terms of structure, contents, and referential terminology. That's how I intend to make it work, and honestly how it most likely would given how closely the CYOA author's lore and the lore you've made here align.

I should also note that since he's the only Living God as far as we're aware, in this roleplay anyway, that only he knows for sure out of everything in his Verse that other Existences are real. Since he's the only being from his Verse who operates at a level beyond it and all other than the Entities, who I just assume are so batshit insane they can't do anything with such knowledge. Course wanting to live a normal life means he didn't tell anyone a damn thing before he left to come to the one Myriad Reality takes place in...
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They are the same thing, but using different terms. The author of that CYOA essentially intended for Verses to be their own Existences containing omniverses and such along with our own universe from what the lore they wrote says. I will point out that since Zachary has Anarchic Verses on his sheet, it naturally implies the existence of many other Verses and Existences, not all of which are necessarily similar. In Zachary's case, his Verse or Existence does not have any of the OCs or organizations from MR, merely official works like Marvel and such, along with some organizations found in the CYOA.

Essentially, his Verse is another Existence in the Outside, it's just different in terms of structure, contents, and referential terminology. That's how I intend to make it work, and honestly how it most likely would given how closely the CYOA author's lore and the lore you've made here align.

I should also note that since he's the only Living God as far as we're aware, in this roleplay anyway, that only he knows for sure out of everything in his Verse that other Existences are real. Since he's the only being from his Verse who operates at a level beyond it and all other than the Entities, who I just assume are so batshit insane they can't do anything with such knowledge. Course wanting to live a normal life means he didn't tell anyone a damn thing before he left to come to the one Myriad Reality takes place in...


So that would be what we call a "Plane" then. Yeah, I know the term is slightly confusing since it often is used in more low-level form, but basically our system is that Existence is a Plane, alongside other "Existences" that we know nothing about (bar one Plane in particular) and can't access, all of which fits on what is called a "Scale", which is like an omniverse for Planes. Then there's, theoretically, lower Scales and at least one known higher Scale, all of which can't interact with our Scale.
If all that makes sense, it sounds like the only thing to note would be that Zachary is from a different Plane that probably doesn't work off of Code, but does likely work off philotes regardless of that? Since he's in Existence he's likely been converted to Code to, well, "exist" in it. (Code being in the simplest terms the things which the states of determine bigger things. Like atoms were thought to be and sort of like DNA just with countless possible states.)
Wrote more but "Multiplayer" and "Anarchic Verses" sort of already say everything I was going to, so I'll leave it out unless you want to hear it.
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So that would be what we call a "Plane" then. Yeah, I know the term is slightly confusing since it often is used in more low-level form, but basically our system is that Existence is a Plane, alongside other "Existences" that we know nothing about (bar one Plane in particular) and can't access, all of which fits on what is called a "Scale", which is like an omniverse for Planes. Then there's, theoretically, lower Scales and at least one known higher Scale, all of which can't interact with our Scale.
If all that makes sense, it sounds like the only thing to note would be that Zachary is from a different Plane that probably doesn't work off of Code, but does likely work off philotes regardless of that? Since he's in Existence he's likely been converted to Code to, well, "exist" in it. (Code being in the simplest terms the things which the states of determine bigger things. Like atoms were thought to be and sort of like DNA just with countless possible states.)
Wrote more but "Multiplayer" and "Anarchic Verses" sort of already say everything I was going to, so I'll leave it out unless you want to hear it.


Ah, well yeah in this case it would be another Plane, at least as I'm determining it here. This was written by someone who was just making their own CYOA and lore, so it probably won't fit entirely perfectly if we go into what makes each function. Especially since I don't know all of what makes the Verse he comes from run outside of minor mentions in the CYOA itself to creation energies, along with Ad and Sub Deus.

Whatever either of those last two are.

Good thing I didn't make one of his goals Amaranth then, because as far as the author of the CYOA intended, that's actual omnipotence. Like, no limit, and since it's described as a level of power beyond what a Living God currently has, I could easily see it being him ascending to that higher Scale you mentioned. At least in this case, since the author says all narratives and stories are yours in the description of it.

But uh, he ain't geared towards that, so.
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Ah, well yeah in this case it would be another Plane, at least as I'm determining it here. This was written by someone who was just making their own CYOA and lore, so it probably won't fit entirely perfectly if we go into what makes each function. Especially since I don't know all of what makes the Verse he comes from run outside of minor mentions in the CYOA itself to creation energies, along with Ad and Sub Deus.

Whatever either of those last two are.

Good thing I didn't make one of his goals Amaranth then, because as far as the author of the CYOA intended, that's actual omnipotence. Like, no limit, and since it's described as a level of power beyond what a Living God currently has, I could easily see it being him ascending to that higher Scale you mentioned. At least in this case, since the author says all narratives and stories are yours in the description of it.

But uh, he ain't geared towards that, so.


Alright, sweet. No worries then.

I find it funny that the CYOA used the term "Amaranth" when one of our players made up something called "Amaranthine". It's a nice coincidence.
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Alright, sweet. No worries then.

I find it funny that the CYOA used the term "Amaranth" when one of our players made up something called "Amaranthine". It's a nice coincidence.


Oh I noticed, but uh it's got nothing to do with energy in the Living God case.

Amaranth: Though you are nigh-omnipotent in your own right, you can sense a higher state even than this, an enlightenment of enlightenments. There is a new story beyond this one, a new dream to be had, not by another but by yourself. This state may require impossible efforts, but its attainable given enough time. Once Amaranth, the ultimate enlightenment, is attained, you will be absolutely, transcendently powerful and unquestionably omnipotent. All worlds and narratives will be your stories, and you will supersede absolutely everything. Of course, you've got plenty of time before that. Prepare yourself as a proper vessel for the infinite.

The author of the CYOA read a lot of Kirkbride's writings, the guy who wrote a lot of the lore for Morrowind, and the term Amaranth comes up in his non-canon C0DA work in reference to becoming so sensory deprived that you dream a new reality into existence.

This thread explains it best I think, as far as Kirkbride's influence goes anyway: reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/2j0cjc/…

Also this: imperial-library.info/content/posts-k…

And finally C0DA itself.
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We designed MR's universe system to be able to incorporate godlike entities that are part of fandoms, by tying their powers to their universes (or multiverses inside of Existence). Outside of those dimensions, they do not have that level of power. If we say they can—well, your character may not want to get involved with the rest of Existence's battles, but we cannot say, realistically, that there are no Living Gods who will share that indifference. If any universe's godlike beings could exert that godlike power over Existence, it would long since be destroyed or enslaved.

Based on this reasoning, it would be best to keep his godlike powers in-universe. Even though he's part of a fandom where his powers are godlike in an entire Verse, that "Verse" should again be in its own layer underneath the umbrella of Existence.

(But! I would not go so far as to say that this should eliminate his powers outside of his dimension. If I were trying to figure out the power, I'd see it more as a supreme control of self but not necessarily the things around him. This might mean invulnerability of a certain kind (which one of my characters has!), but it wouldn't mean the ability to control someone else's person at will, or to create an attack of perfectly irresistible power, both of which would lead to the balance issue I mentioned earlier.)
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I got nothing to do. :\
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We designed MR's universe system to be able to incorporate godlike entities that are part of fandoms, by tying their powers to their universes (or multiverses inside of Existence). Outside of those dimensions, they do not have that level of power. If we say they can—well, your character may not want to get involved with the rest of Existence's battles, but we cannot say, realistically, that there are no Living Gods who will share that indifference. If any universe's godlike beings could exert that godlike power over Existence, it would long since be destroyed or enslaved.

Based on this reasoning, it would be best to keep his godlike powers in-universe. Even though he's part of a fandom where his powers are godlike in an entire Verse, that "Verse" should again be in its own layer underneath the umbrella of Existence.

(But! I would not go so far as to say that this should eliminate his powers outside of his dimension. If I were trying to figure out the power, I'd see it more as a supreme control of self but not necessarily the things around him. This might mean invulnerability of a certain kind (which one of my characters has!), but it wouldn't mean the ability to control someone else's person at will, or to create an attack of perfectly irresistible power, both of which would lead to the balance issue I mentioned earlier.)


I mean in this case you can realistically say they're aren't any other Living Gods, because mine is the only build here. Plus his own Verse is another Plane, using the terms here anyway, so the problem of how powers work is more how they translate between two separate Existences.

And don't get me wrong, I see the balance issues, but that's the thing. He's a god, gods aren't meant to be balanced. Not real gods anyway. My form of balancing though was making him human-ish via that extra option near the end of the sheet and saying he really just wants to live a normal life, though fate keeps roping him back to his Plane regardless.
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Now I should clarify that my arc for him isn't one of conflict necessarily, it's more him learning how to be a king. A good king preferably, and him learning how to confront and earn the royalty his ascension has given him. So if we really wanted we could simply have him not fight anyone. It's not like he can die, or if he does, suffer any real consequence from it after all.
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I mean in this case you can realistically say they're aren't any other Living Gods, because mine is the only build here. Plus his own Verse is another Plane, using the terms here anyway, so the problem of how powers work is more how they translate between two separate Existences.

And don't get me wrong, I see the balance issues, but that's the thing. He's a god, gods aren't meant to be balanced. Not real gods anyway. My form of balancing though was making him human-ish via that extra option near the end of the sheet and saying he really just wants to live a normal life, though fate keeps roping him back to his Plane regardless.


What I'm questioning is the point of giving him a Plane to begin with. It ends up locking him out of most interaction, and overengineers a solution to someone having godlike powers in a universe. Part of the fun is having multiple universes worth of beings who, regardless of their own strength on their original world, are thrown onto a different playing field for the new one. TL;DR, I don't really see what you want to accomplish by adding those stipulations that wouldn't be accomplished with normal dimensional rules.

I got nothing to do. :\


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What I'm questioning is the point of giving him a Plane to begin with. It ends up locking him out of most interaction, and overengineers a solution to someone having godlike powers in a universe. Part of the fun is having multiple universes worth of beings who, regardless of their own strength on their original world, are thrown onto a different playing field for the new one. TL;DR, I don't really see what you want to accomplish by adding those stipulations that wouldn't be accomplished with normal dimensional rules.

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Yeah, problem there is he was made using a CYOA that goes a tad beyond those normal rules.
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What I'm questioning is the point of giving him a Plane to begin with. It ends up locking him out of most interaction, and overengineers a solution to someone having godlike powers in a universe. Part of the fun is having multiple universes worth of beings who, regardless of their own strength on their original world, are thrown onto a different playing field for the new one. TL;DR, I don't really see what you want to accomplish by adding those stipulations that wouldn't be accomplished with normal dimensional rules.

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I mean yeah that sounds like a good idea as the battle for Dedman and Dynamo seems it will take awhile to start.
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I mean in this case you can realistically say they're aren't any other Living Gods, because mine is the only build here. Plus his own Verse is another Plane, using the terms here anyway, so the problem of how powers work is more how they translate between two separate Existences.

And don't get me wrong, I see the balance issues, but that's the thing. He's a god, gods aren't meant to be balanced. Not real gods anyway.


I don't think using another Plane is the right solution, here. The same thing could happen in any other Existence. No Existence where something like a Living God is possible is likely to remain in existence for very long. A Plane may have been suggested before, but I think we should switch it to a level of reality underneath the umbrella of Existence, so that in general Existence he doesn't have such power.

You're right about that on balance. But the kind of balance we advocate for in MR is not a balance of rigid numbers or rules, but a balance of fairness based on mutual trust built on a history of fair relations. We balance each other by our desire not to overstep each other, to have fair interactions. I don't mean to call anyone out, but the exchange where (it is implied to me) Ded tries to destroy Zachary and Zachary "just casually ignores that" is not a fair interaction by either party, but also is a natural and expected interaction when a character like Zachary has unlimited power.
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