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Hidden 8 yrs ago Post by Maquina
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What you may be looking for, Luminosity, is an arming sword/knightly sword rather than a longsword. Longswords are two-handed warfighting weapons, but what a lot of video games and other modern material calls longswords are actually that arming sword/knightly sword up there.

I'unno. I'll admit to having not read the sheet, but the debate seemed to be one where that fudge was relevant. I've seen a lot a lot of folks fall down that trap.

Anyways. Insofar as ranged defense on a lightweight dispowered character...well. Most of the historically accurate defenses against ranged weapons generally came down to "wear a lot of metal" or "carry a big freaking shield"; something to get in the way. Neither of which are options. You could probably get away with carrying a buckler shield, though. While I wouldn't want to try and protect myself from arrows with a dinner plate on a handle, I would take the dinner plate on a handle any day over nada. And bucklers were easily enough worn on a belt or such (they were, in fact, designed for it if I recall) and could thus be taken up at need with your free hand rather than having to permanently occupy that mitt.

Also a helm of some sort. There's a reason all those old gladiators out there are shown as nekkid save for one arm and a helm. Gotta keep dat noggin intact in front of damn near everything else.
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'"wear a lot of metal" or "carry a big freaking shield"' Actually, that's only really true for arrows and a couple of thrown projectiles. It's quite noticeable historically that after the popularisation of the greatest of all ranged weaponry, the firearm, shields and metal became nearly useless overnight. After that tactics and having a longer range weapon than your opponent became more important. Though I guess you could argue by the first world war and the birth of the tank things had swung back round in favour of wearing lots of metal.

Bucklers are parrying tools, and considering the character is a ninja-archetype (I'm guessing here, but throwing knives, very light armour and such tend to suggest this type of character) it would be a criminal waste of a free hand that can be lobbing knives and whatnot to waste it holding a buckler.

In a combat sense a helm would certainly be useful, but awfully conspicuous. They also tend to reduce visibility, make stealth near impossible and otherwise make for an ill-equipped scout or acrobat or particularly a spy.

You're right about the sword though, an old fashioned one handed blade of that kind would be more appropriate than a longsword, but the wakizashi-style blade Luminosity settled on is probably just as good if not better.

Interesting points regardless.

To clarify, I do believe the best option the character has in its current format to protect themselves from ranged attacks is to close effectively using cover and once at suitable range just start throwing knives willy-nilly to offset their opponents aim as they close to melee range.
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Insofar as ranged defense on a lightweight dispowered character...well.
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Ninja smokebombs!
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I was mostly trying to come up with a name for the type of sword seen in my character's image. I like the look of it, but the angle kinda makes it hard to tell what it is. I suppose it could be a katana, but I can't tell if it's curved, and a katana is probably too long for what I would need. In any case, her sword is too thin to be most kinds of European things, I think.

Thank you for the tips, though, @DLL. I was thinking about some kind of full-faced mask/helm thing. Gotta find something aesthetically pleasing first, of course. Guilty pleasures come first.

And thanks everyone for the help. Lots of good points to consider. I appreciate it.
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I was mostly trying to come up with a name for the type of sword seen in my character's image. I like the look of it, but the angle kinda makes it hard to tell what it is. I suppose it could be a katana, but I can't tell if it's curved, and a katana is probably too long for what I would need. In any case, her sword is too thin to be most kinds of European things, I think.


Looks like some kind of straight Japanese sword tbh, as far as I know their sword designs are the only ones with that kind of thin sleek design that also completely disregard hand protection.
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Perhaps the dreaded Magna Pater can give Nergal a run for his money?



I'm game to test my guy out with it if you are.
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@MelonHead Well, given the discussion of a few pages earlier I was disregarding firearms and other heavy-duty projectiles, as they don't seem to be an issue in most dispowered fights. In which case, slings and arrows are the big ones, and those were dealt with by either being Iron Man or by carrying your cover around with you.

Still. If the sheet is an outright ninja, then yeah. Smoke bombs, blinding powders, throwing stuffs. Though there isn't a thrown weapon known to man that matches the range or punch of even a sling, let alone a bow or crossbow. Probably just going to have to accept a disadvantage in most ranged fights outside ten, fifteen meters.

As for the blade...chokuto, maybe? I really ought to find that sheet if I'm going to keep yapping. But ehh...where's the fun in being informed, eh?
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Pretty sure a javelin outmatches the punch of a sling, not to mention the accuracy. Not the range though. That's where cover comes into its own.

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<Snipped quote by Fallenreaper>

We're all (at least, most of us at any rate) are RPers first before combat RPers, I think we can handle a little story ;D

I've had a couple characters who were completely incoherent, and one who doesn't talk at all. Always good for leaving your opponent with a 'wtf' on their lips.


I'm currently trying to figure out how I want to approach it and if I want a small group, or a 1x1 mainly. I'm leaning toward the latter rather than a small group because I honestly can't GM anything else at this time and so my partner would likely have to take the lead in it. So, either way it will take a bit before I get that storted since I've still got a lot on my plate and I want to think about it a bit. However, I would be willing to share more details for anyone interested. All anyone needs to do is ask or pm me.
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So, can you think of a good back story for our characters? Perhaps Nergal gets ahold of De Vermis Mysteriis and summons The Magna Later, only to find out that it serves only itself.

The ritual to summon it requires the following steps.

The ritual may only be done when there is no moon to see in the sky. The area in which the ritual commences must be entirely dark, aside from six black wax candles each located at the point of a tetrahedron measuring twelve feet across, drawn with the blood of an infant aged no more than three months.

In the middle something must be offered that the summoner truly loves. Then after reciting the incantation in the Black Jargon, all the candles must be extinguished at the exact same time.

If that sounds like the sort of shenanigans Nergal would be up for, then feel free to make the thread!

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I can think of something. The company always likes to get samples of new organisms to study. As far as the ritual goes he would have no qualms about it. I'll start it up in the morning as I'm off tomorrow.
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@MelonHead Gotta correct you, you can wear a buckler and still have a free hand. You just have to strap it around your forearm instead of hand.



Edit: I don't know why the hand is a Furry hand.
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@MelonHead Gotta correct you, you can wear a buckler and still have a free hand. You just have to strap it around your forearm instead of hand.



Edit: I don't know why the hand is a Furry hand.


Oh, I think we know why it's a furry hand. *winkwinknodnod*
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@Enki Because Google has a lot of furry art, I don't know man. Let's not get into a discussion about Furries, I have very negative opinions.
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@MelonHead Gotta correct you, you can wear a buckler and still have a free hand. You just have to strap it around your forearm instead of hand.



Edit: I don't know why the hand is a Furry hand.


'A buckler (French bouclier 'shield', from Old French bocle, boucle 'boss') is a small shield, 15 to 45 cm (6 in to 18 in) in diameter, gripped in the fist.' Strapping it to the forearm would significantly reduce its worth as a parrying tool, and as far as I can see in regards to a duelling tool it was never used in that fashion.

http://forums.kingdomofloathing.com/vb/showthread.php?t=116424 What you've shown is simply a fragment of fiction and DnD unfortunately.
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As far as I can remember reading, bucklers were never historically worn on the arm. They were always held in the hand because of their use in dueling.

Of course, that doesn't mean you can't wear a buckler-sized shield (or something a little larger) strapped to your arm while retaining a free hand. We're not bound by historical veracity or anything. It's just not something that happened in the real world. It's a thing in D&D though (iirc there's a Pathdfinder class built around the idea of wielding a two-handed weapon while wearing a buckler). It's not impossible from a structural/anatomical/strategic standpoint.
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@MelonHead
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You "CAN" wear a buckler on your arm and still have a free hand.

I know how they were worn dudes, I'm saying that as a fictional character, you have liberties with following historical accuracy. Especially if it's for efficiency's sake.
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The tradeoff for stricter parrying maneuvers would be a free hand. D&D may be fiction, but so too is this sport we compete in. Its uses would be stricter, but the addition of having both hands would easily offset the cost if you ask me.
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@LeeRoy

That's why I said

Of course, that doesn't mean you can't wear a buckler-sized shield (or something a little larger) strapped to your arm while retaining a free hand. We're not bound by historical veracity or anything
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I would question a buckler's efficiency when strapped to an arm - at that point you may as well just wear a gauntlet or an armored bracer and Wonder Woman stuff. I mean yeah, it can be done, and we all know that inhumanly perfect timing/precision of action is the true universal RP superpower, so you could make it work...but I feel like having the shield immovably strapped in place would strip off a lot of the normal utility of a buckler.
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