Andreyich

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IT'S AUTHORITARIAN
NOT REAL COMMUNISM!!!1!
DAD IS FUCKING NEOFASCIST

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@Penny

oh yeah I forgot everything is the fault of american imperialism. Fucking CIA destroying the USSR, fucking CIA ending east germany, communist ethiopia, etc. etc. We must track down this elusive american imperialist.

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@Andreyich Not to get too much into it. (and because google seems to be purposefully fucking with me.) But the poor in capitalist countries don't -stay- poor. And they also get richer too. :/

The 1% isn't stagnant, it moves all the time.

And we aren't exactly a perfect free market (our healthcare for instance.) and most people that describe "crony capitalism" is basically corporatism.

I also hate this argument in a way, because I was poor once. But America's poor are FAR better off than the rest of the free world. :/ (So yea-that 'communist' argument is FOS, on top of being kind of funny/ironic.)

heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/r…

dailycaller.com/2015/10/21/bernies-po…

There's more to it than that, sure. But like I said, too lazy to go further.

@SleepingSilence

Aye that's certainly true. The poor of capitalist countries are much better off than average person of communist countries. Nevertheless, social mobility is still very hard, and the American dream really is more or less unacheivable. Although, I suppose in communism social mobility is nonexistent too, since everyone is equally poor.

Nevertheless, I don't have much issue with corporatism if it includes dirigism; a government should control corporations, not vice versa. I agree your poor are far better off then the poor of elsewhere but once again, from rags to riches is a fairy tale. Those who eat shit will sadly have to east shit for the most of their lives. I don't think capitalism is completely worthless as an idea I just think it should be open to critique, which I am sure you agree on.

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Cuba's a hole. Vietnam gets $38 billion in trade from the US, otherwise it'd be a hole too. So the difference appears to be who gets money from the capitalists -- perhaps Communism isn't a turd, but a tick?

@mdk

No, as someone from the member states of Warsaw pact it really is a turd. A great, big, nauseating disgusting turd with fatal effects from being merely within the same area code as it.

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...Wat.

Capitalism doesn't really even have anything to do with voting...

And also unlikely. They'll just assume you -didn't- vote as people with that mindset tend not to. :/

@SleepingSilence

Ikr. If capitalism is adhered to then the truly best will rise and if communism is the best option for creating goods/services then it will ultimately replace the need for corporatocracy, corporatism, and the root of these two things. Now, you can say "lel no such a real thing as real capitalism" but then that makes the "it wasn't real communism xDDDD" excuse twice as moot.

That said, I can understand the critiques that communists have of capitalism. It is pretty shit to be poor under it, and social mobility/meritocracy is not that much of a thing despite rich kids claiming that the best succeed. It's really why I see myself dropping back to the idea of a third position, because communism and capitalism stem from the same cancer.

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But it does work-- it just so happens that being a new country, surrounded by capitalist enemies who want to see you fail because they're full of bougie pigs, is not good for longevity. A lot of systems of communism don't really have internal flaws (unless you want to look at say, Maoism, for example-- which had garbage theory-- or Stalinism-- which had the problem of literally daddy Stalin).

You say this like the problem isn't, as always, with capitalism.

But it's not lol. The problem is that Lenin was a retard. They're full of internal flaws and it's never been successful and no person with a double/triple digit IQ is willing to be experimented on with something worse than the bubonic plague; the red one, because just like the black plague the red plague ends in death. They set back Russia which was modernizing to the point that Germans literally wanted war with them to stop their further advancement into a place where cannibalism was a valid means of survival and made millions of people emigrate because they knew what a shithole it was now.

@mdk Would you like another go at Vietnam? Or Cuba?

@Darcs

I've been to Cuba although admittedly not Vietnam and it's one of the worst shitholes in the world, and that's in the hotels which are supposed to be """nice."""

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@Dynamo Frokane
The problem with it is that it never worked, never will and it's bloody retarded. Oh wait but I'm sure all of that is not real communism and we should just. try. again.

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@Dynamo Frokane
I mean that's not exactly why but the coca cola itself is a good show; American conservatism is basically an attempt at ancap.

Warhammer Fantasy - Call of Chaos

I'm willing to give up Stirland and Ostermark if I get Marienburg.

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@Vilageidiotx
Alright, I admit I was wrong.

This is why American conservatism is fucking gay