Andreyich

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With precious few exceptions, yes, anyone and everyone can.

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Well that's part of the dream, innit? There is no "peak." We just keep building.

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So it's, what, "unrealistically achievable" in your estimation? I'm doing it right now.

@mdk

Becoming Steve Jobs level rich.

@Andreyich Again how would restrictions like that even work? Like how about the restriction that any business that gets over 50 employees (part/full doesn't matter) needs to provide health insurance. That's a restriction that stunts growth, how would YOU make that rule justifiable? Add a 0? Add two? Then ask yourself Why on earth would anyone hire that many people?

Restrictions only hurt small businesses. Try to purposefully screw the bigger ones, and they'll move somewhere that won't. People seem to assume ones with no power can try to bully those that worked for a living and took a risk, they'll leave and you'll only make everyone worse off as a result. We have one of the highest corporate tax rates...

Like eating the rich, and bar stool economics should have taught by now. Making the rich "pay", for being wealthy. Is just greed and it doesn't lead to any actual positive results.

@SleepingSilence

No they don't. There's also lot's of hyperbole on your part, I'm not a fucking commie or some retard like Corbyn/Bernie I'm not asking for anything monumental. Anyway, most of my wishes for restrictions are ethic/moral ones, environmental and to do with outsourcing or "insourcing," especially if the outsourcing/"insourcing" involves one or two of the earlier mentioned things I want restrictions upon.

Your videos linked aren't pertinent to me and anyway are full of hyperbole even if they do make red fucks stop and think about just stupid their position is.

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My point is the American Dream is totally achievable.

see also: that's not "the black science man," wtf, that's Don Lemon. (edit: right, right, not US-based, I knew that, sorry)

@mdk

It is achievable, that doesn't mean it's realistically achievable, or in essence what darcs posted.

@Dynamo Frokane You got me

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Echh, this sounds a bit like the law of the jungle tbh. If it is determined that your success is a detriment to your society, then it is reasonable to curb that success. The purpose of a government by the people is that we as a group determine what produces the greatest benefit to the group with the least harm to individual interests. This balancing act is true for pretty much everyone but the most nutty an-cap. The illegality of a ponzi scheme, for instance, is public regulation that curbs the success of an individual for the benefit of the masses.

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Upward mobility in itself isn't new, it has existed since the days of Imhotep. That the US and democratic values in general has improved upward mobility from where it was before is absolutely true, but this doesn't mean we have reached the peak. We should do everything we can as a society to ensure that none of our talent gets wasted trying to clear basic hurdles in poverty. That means keeping social stratification from ossifying and creating some sort of neo-feudal situation like what happened to, say, the Romans.

@Vilageidiotx

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Echh, this sounds a bit like the law of the jungle tbh. If it is determined that your success is a detriment to your society, then it is reasonable to curb that success. The purpose of a government by the people is that we as a group determine what produces the greatest benefit to the group with the least harm to individual interests. This balancing act is true for pretty much everyone but the most nutty an-cap. The illegality of a ponzi scheme, for instance, is public regulation that curbs the success of an individual for the benefit of the masses.

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Upward mobility in itself isn't new, it has existed since the days of Imhotep. That the US and democratic values in general has improved upward mobility from where it was before is absolutely true, but this doesn't mean we have reached the peak. We should do everything we can as a society to ensure that none of our talent gets wasted trying to clear basic hurdles in poverty. That means keeping social stratification from ossifying and creating some sort of neo-feudal situation like what happened to, say, the Romans.

@Vilageidiotx

While I usually disagree with most of the bullshit you got to spew I can agree with this. In late stage capitalism protectionism becomes the norm and while the best are supposed to shine in it, they don't and get stomped aside by those who don't want to lose their shit. Late stage capitalism is a ticking bomb destined to collapse under it's own weight into either ancap, ancom or some sort of fascism. To at least prolong it's lifespan for a little bit, capitalism should take some socialist policy to help those who've been proverbially fucked by the system. Really any society should take at least some socialist policy if they don't want random fucks to start bitching and moaning; free shit and gibs make people pretty happy.

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@SleepingSilence
It doesn't work that way at the moment.

You shouldn't be penalized for making money but you should be restricted from abuse.

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@SleepingSilence
That's why you restrict big businesses and not small ones. Make restrictions and such increment with the earnings/size of a corporation. Also, the saying "the freer the market the freer the people" is a lie

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@SleepingSilence
I mean that a corporation should be restricted from all sorts of crap, corporate law and all.

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@Andreyich@mdk How are you both just going to ignore neo-colonialism though.

It didn't do nearly as much shit as communism.

Yes it's bad but nowhere near as bad as """socialism."""

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@mdk
Just because Morgan freeman and the black science man exist that doesn't mean it's not hard for minorities to achieve their full potential and while tumblr-tards exaggerate it """institutional racism""" is still present, even if it's more or less unnoticeable.

@Andreyich Ethno-nationalism cannot comprehend morgan freeman

Don Lemon is gay so he cant race-mix.

I don't know your foreign TV personalities except my two favourite ones so I'm afraid I don't have a clue what you're actually referring to.

Sure, though most critiques I'd have with it are ones I'd have about it, stem from reality itself. Individualism can suck, for the lazy, dumb, envious and it sucks for those that do start with a bad hand, but most people do have the opportunity to change. But blaming others is a good solution too. That or the corruption, that would come from any government or society, because some people suck. But as pessimistic as I usually am, I'd like to think most people want the same things in life and are generally decent people. And because libertarian governments are oh too wacky (and is bound to be a meme for merely mentioning them.) Free market capitalism, is the best we got. Because nothing is perfect. (exactly why the idea of 'equal for all' while no one works and yet live in a utopia, being possible is the damn stupidest thing I've ever heard.) :/

I don't think that is the only possible critique of it. With it corporations control government much more than should ever be possible and with protectionism that becomes bigger and bigger every year it gets worse every year and you reach dystopia ever more. Late stage capitalism is more or less what I'm trying to refer you to, a point at which you have more or less reach ancap and the government is naught but a joke to make CEO's giggle when reminded of it.

Neither should be controlling either. And both are -kind of- controlling both in certain ways today. But I digress...

Government should control corporations when needed, and I suppose in some rare cases a corporation should do vice versa but the trouble is that corporations are influenced almost solely by the need to make profit, no moral code, no ethic code, nothing else really controls them and if they have the $$$ they don't have to give a shit about any law or rule which we quite often see in all sorts of human rights cases where they more or less use slavery, or destroy the environment as though you can suddenly get a new one.

Weird that the Germans lost then lmao.

to the entente, though.

Idk, they always seemed to be doing well, considering their lack of general support from allies, and the fact that they are literally engulfed by a superpower that wants them to fail.

There are also two superpowers that want them to succeed, and no they're not doing well. The only reason they got any shit done was because Castro deported all the criminals, criminally insane, etc. etc. to America so he 1) created a sort of limited eugenics by removing a lot of unlikeables and 2) he removed the aspect of society that is most detrimental yet surprise surprise, America can and is supporting them and yet even with this great load upon them Cuba is still doing worse. Have you ever been to Cuba?

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@Darcs

That's also a pretty fucking stupid meme, because the capitalist countries are the best well off in those places; South Africa, Brazil, South Korea.