Andreyich

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I'll skip right to this since the other stuff was just me asking you for clarification.

Neither is race? It's not racist. It's literally about opposing criminals. You can have a problem with a person or group and not care about the characteristics.

I suppose I forfeit this since it turns out I misunderstood what racism is, which I'll visit later in this post. As long as we can agree that there are a variety of factors at work here I think on this point we're done.

I know, I said it was. But so was the link you provided. Individuals shouldn't matter and even if they did, it wasn't a good one to provide. Most (and I mean nearly all) "crimes" rich blacks get punished for though related to drug possession. Which can be debated if that's a worthy crime or not.

The link I provided was to dissuade the "lol whites are mass shooters so it's the same" train of thought, not to prove a point. Individuals however should and matter, at least somewhat since it is they after all who are the ones forming a collective.

There's a fault in your own logic. You used the word "thug"...that already implies the fucker ain't on the up and up. It would be like using the word "rapist" implying men and telling me it less likely to happen because that rapist is a women. But the word you used was already a negative connotation. So how does that really make any logical sense?

I meant a thug as in the cultural thing, gold grillz, blasting boom box, etc.

Poverty is still a large factor of crime. I'd argue more so than race. In almost all cases of various crimes.

It is, but like I said in my π world shithole of a home country I experienced very little criminality apart from that which I brought upon myself. Admittedly this was when I was only in my home village and the nearest city, I haven't been to the whole country for a reasonable amount of time but I doubt it's too different.

People living in households in the US that have an income level below the Federal poverty threshold have more than double the rates of violent victimization compared to individuals in high-income households.

I'm not sure what this means or more precisely if I understand it right, considering the meaning of victimization.

Individuals who live in poverty are more likely to report a crime than those who do not live in poverty, but more than half of all crime is believed to go unreported to local law enforcement.

If you're trying to assert that the more wealthy strata do as much crime as the lower classes then you're plain wrong. At most, they do more crime of the sort like you mentioned, drug use and such that (supposedly) doesn't hurt anyone and is """"""victimless.""""""

When people live in households that are struggling with poverty, they also have a higher rate of violence that involves a firearm at 3.5 per 1,000 people compared to 0.8-2.5 per 1,000 people in middle-to-high income families.

Interesting considering you'd think they can't afford one. Not all that pertinent though.

For both whites and blacks/African-Americans in the US, the overall pattern of being in poverty with the highest rates of victimization was consistent. For Hispanics and Latinos, violent victimization is relatively equal across all income levels.

This is largely to do with hispanics making quite often their wealth off of stuff that is quite simply illicit.

Hispanics in the US who are living in poverty have nearly half the rates of violent victimization when compared to poor whites. Even poor blacks/African-Americans have a lower rate of violent victimization in poverty compared to whites.

Once again, clarify since I'm not sure what you mean by victimization, if it is to make another person a victim or to become one.

Urban poverty increased the risks of violence and crime for US households, but did not change the racial risk factors. Whites are the most at risk in an urban poverty household to experience crime, at a rate of 5.64%. Blacks/African-Americans had the second highest level of risk for experiencing crime in urban poverty at 5.13%.

That's probably because they get targeted and don't really commit crime on their own part making others see them as weaker and more opportune targets, which is not wholly untrue.

Now I'm not sure where you get this from exactly...

History?

Well again, you say definitely but it's to be debated by people still to this day. :/

Can't be a debate if one side isn't really allowed to speak up.

I feel like generalizations aren't practical on a pure logical standpoint and the more people that think in those ways, take one step towards suggesting shit like eugenics. Not saying you in anyway. But admitting your "racist" and just being aware of differences between bodies and cultures etc. aren't the same...

Racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race (or someone else race) is superior.

I think eugenics is pretty autistic yes, but generalisations do have their purpose and use. When I look at someone for the first time I can always draw conclusions that I should act accordingly to and are up to the other person to be proven right or wrong.

I searched up the definition of racism again and yes, you're right. I didn't read it through properly and just saw the "key words" of prejudice against a different race. Since I know that superiority is more or less impossible I suppose I can remove the label of racist from myself. I admit I was wrong to use it, though this probably won't stop others from applying it to me.

I sort of doubt it. (the help of being prejudiced) Though I guess people perceive things differently all around.

It's sure helped me here. It helped me pick what was, I'm sure absolutely coincidentally the nicest neighbourhood to be around, knowing simply the ethnic composition.

But you call yourself a racist, without a hint of hesitation? I feel like the only reason to do that is to be provocative...

As said earlier, I guess I was wrong. I thought it meant to only be prejudiced which I am, I don't believe in superiority of any sort though, but people will call me racist anyways.

It's like people on youtube, young blokes in their 20's starting to outright post sympathizing remarks to pedophiles. It's just a little worrying that people like that don't seem to even be aware of why that's a problem in the first place.

TOLERANCE IS THE WAY TO GO!!!1! WHY CAN'T YOU BE MORE TOLERANT OF SOME PEOPLE"S SEXUAL CHOICES??//?

Not to get off in the weeds, but I assume you're an atheist? (Just curious.)

Reconciled Old Believer.

EDIT: @SleepingSilence since you might have not seen it because of your post and notifications being wonky and the display and all and whatever and yeah....

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the appearance of free will is as good as the real thing

@Penny

that's all there is to the free will talk

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Not to make it a personal judgement. But people who get drunk in bars, are likely not to make the best decisions in practically, so at best
I have to take your word for it, that your decisions didn't lead you don't those paths. #victimblaming ^-^'

I have high tolerance and only drank beer, not the homemade stuff we had in the old country that we'd put in a car sometimes.

What can be statistically shown, is the most violent cities are the ones that have been unending democratic control for long periods of time.

Sorry to be blunt but that the hell does this mean?

The first link is true, but I don't deny of those statics. I point out those statics aren't linked due to genetics. But gang related crime.

They are, at least in part.

I don't believe racism plays a big part in America. But I completely acknowledge and believe it probably is more of a problem everywhere else. Because many people don't take outsiders as kindly, and when they try to hard to accept the wrong ones there cultures get destroyed.

I don't know dude America seemed pretty racist and you hear stories of raycis people in America all the time but if you're an American I'll take your word for it.

No, it's not. It's a bias to illegals (or criminals who happen to be non-Caucasian.) All those crimes didn't come from legal Hispanics. There's a stark contrast in their cultures. If a place like Russia, or Germany was joint at the hip to the United States. And all of them decided to move here without integrating, we'd have very similar problems...

It is unintentionally, because culture is not the only difference.

A poor analogy, but has equal substance. Because I would like to point out plenty of white people have killed people...probably most than many others. Hitler was white, his kill count is staggering. There are also plenty of places (out of the US.) with mostly Caucasians that you'd feel much less safe than the higher black populated areas of America...

Very poor analogy, since that was after all 80 years ago and it's an argument based on "muh exceptions" which I instantly discount. Rich blacks also tend to commit as much or equivalent crime to poor whites.

Do you think that same lowriding "thug" with a snapback wouldn't act that way, if he was white? :/

He's much less likely to do so, not to mention poor whites don't fall into that culture as much as poor blacks.

And actually it is changing, for the worse. (thanks obama.) Black employment is at the lowest level in 17 years. (and no it's not because of just laziness. xP) But I say that to point out their is a problem happening, and it plays a much bigger part than you're acknowledging.

No, I acknowledge what is due acknowledgement. I do think that the break up of family structure thus leading to unemployment and a nasty circle is very detrimental. However, long ago, in ye olden days before words were even created, the white lad had to care for a family to help them survive the cold, they had to swim, and build shelter much more often, for this was the best way to pass on his DNA. For the African lads, the best way to pass on their DNA was to simply have as many partners as possible and beat the competition away. This, by natural selection and all created two groups of people with traits physical, behavioural and emotional that are very different, so while society can largely be blamed it isn't the sole thing to be blamed.

I'm not particularly sure if genetic has anything to do with behavior. But, my point is that. You're allow to acknowledge the differences between races, they exist. But my problem comes from stereotyping and generalizing all of them, and assuming one race is superior or inferior to another. Environmental change drastically changes your respective on life.

Yes they most definitely do. I do generalize although I find stereotypes to be often silly, i.e. Asians being bad at driving; they are most likely on average about as good at driving as whites because of higher IQ and thus pattern recognition and spatial awareness, whilst blacks loving their watermelons more than their mothers is also very silly since watermelons grow best in far north africa and the middle east and naturally wouldn't be part of their preferred/customary palette. Superiority is theoretically and in practice impossible, simply adaptations for different ways to lead of life is what happens. Blacks are faster than whites, whites are stronger than blacks, blacks are much better adapted for jumping whilst whites are better adapted for swimming. Yes, I admit that environs do heavily affect perspective.

But I guess kind of furthest I can really go. I'd just lament that being overtly prejudiced won't be particularly helpful in real world.

I mean, I'm not. I don't assume that every single black out there is going to be some fried chicken munching serial rapist, I just think recognition of differences between various ethnic groups is healthy, and that has helped me in the real world.

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It all makes sense.

Bloomberg thinks his citizens are too stupid to drink for themselves, yet they still have some of the most pride for the state by far. So you'll have to take that into account...

I jest. But okay, yeah being a drunkard in places like New York is probably asking for trouble...

That's what I was saying though, I wasn't getting like that in those areas because I knew that isn't the old country.

So blacks right? Well by the logic from personal experiences, logically the places with more percentage of black would have higher crime rates then right? 1. New York (most crime.) 2. Boston (2nd) 3. Texas (3rd/least.) By you're own admission. So let's just wiki that.

Community within the cities matters too.

"Texas, Boston and New York with the amount of crime witnessed or experienced increasing in that order." "Whilst cough others cough tend to commit more crime."

So blacks right? Well by the logic from personal experiences, logically the places with more percentage of black would have higher crime rates then right? 1. New York (most crime.) 2. Boston (2nd) 3. Texas (3rd/least.) By you're own admission. So let's just wiki that.

Blacks Percentage
Texas 2,979,598 11.91%
Massachusetts 528,761 8.1%
New York 3,073,800 15.18%

Well those stats don't add up. Because Texas has almost the same total and yet they don't seem to commit any more crimes. :/

Though I've seen reports that the south, that has more blacks and subsequently more crime. Yet western California is number one in violent crime. And they only have a 6% percent amount of them.

So maybe it's less the race, vs the political/financial backgrounds of those particular places? Food for thought.

Also though Texas does certainly have a high crime rate, I can goddamn guarantee it's not caused by the black population. *cough* illegals *coughs*

According to DPS criminal history records, those criminal charges have thus far resulted in over 266,000 convictions including 496 homicide convictions; 26,565 assault convictions; 8,411 burglary convictions; 34,929 drug convictions; 246 kidnapping convictions; 18,851 theft convictions; 22,644 obstructing police convictions; 2,011 robbery convictions; 2,906 sexual assault convictions; and 3,707 weapons convictions. Of the convictions associated with criminal alien arrests, over 177,000 or 66% are associated with aliens who were identified by DHS status as being in the US illegally at the time of their last arrest.

And that's not even a jab at the "race", but the poor culture bought over by people not wanting to integrate.

But yes, I'm not ignorant to the facts. Black crime is high, especially Black on Black crimes. But you have to look a bit deeper than the shallow end with that...

It's not simply due to race at all.

Gang Violence, is the problem and cause most of the crimes and homicides etc.
As many as 1 million gang members are believed responsible for as much as 80 percent of crime in America -- and the gangs are spreading across the country, according to a Justice Department gang threat assessment.

Approximately "1 million gang members belonging to more than 20,000 gangs were criminally active within all 50 states and the District of Columbia as of September 2008," the report says.

"Criminal gangs commit as much as 80 percent of the crime in many communities, according to law enforcement officials throughout the nation," the report notes as part of its key findings. "Typical gang-related crimes include alien smuggling, armed robbery, assault, auto theft, drug trafficking, extortion, fraud, home invasions, identity theft, murder and weapons trafficking."

And gangs aren't solely represented by a single race...

The most recent figures provided by law enforcement are 46 percent Hispanic/Latino gang members, 35 percent African-American/black gang members, more than 11 percent white gang members, and 7 percent other race/ethnicity of gang members.

And hell according to this, blacks aren't even the TOP percentage of people IN gangs.

So clearly, there's a little more going on...not just race. But where they grew up, and the politics and propaganda that they learn about in their cultures. There's a few more factors at play that I think you might want to consider before assuming an entire race is predisposed to violence. Maybe like racism and most (to use their word) problematic things aren't something you're born with. But learned.

It is a jab at their race though, hispanics also tend to be more prone to criminality than whites; even in Brazil you can see that the population in mountains and other predominantly white communities is less criminal despite having nearly the same socioeconomic status.

Yes, more hispanics are in gangs but that is because of more clannish nature in their culture. Disorganized crime is still crime.

You see, the thing is that race is a better predictor of crime than poverty, and the "wypipo are school shooters lol" is not really an excuse since in all sorts of mass shootings non-whites are actually overrepresented.
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And of course, I also have prejudice against hispanics though in Canada and the places I visited there were few to none, at least I didn't see any.

Yes, perhaps socioeconomic factors affect them but even if that is true, that doesn't really remoe justification from prejudice. When thinking of my safety I don't care if the lowriding "thug" with a snapback is acting that way because of genes or because of their environment, and I'm especially not going to care when he shot me. And, I do recognize that environment does screw them over. The degenerate rap and hip-hop culture encouraging single motherhood, "playas," profanity, aggressiveness being equivalent to masculinity and other such things is naturally a detriment to the development of a young black. But trouble is that their culture isn't changing, so I might as well stay safe and at least surround myself with people of similar cultural and ethnic backgrounds i.e. the Russo-German community I picked to rent a house in whilst here in Canada.

But since that was brought up I believe that environment and genetics play about a 40-60% role in the development in humans, evening out to about 50/50.

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Okay, from just that example. In Europe you were beaten, not just assaulted, but beaten...but it sounds like bar brawls? So that leads to is this where all the crime is taking place? When your drunk? You get drunk a bar and when you wake up the next morning your money is missing? Cuz uh, I have explanations for that. :P

Exactly, it was a sort of "consensual" crime because I gave them hell too, even if I didn't win. In America, it was just shit on the street, muggings, getting pushed off my bike, etc.

Where in America was this exactly? And you consider yourself "racist", but racist toward what exactly? Or is it a wide range of things?
<.<

Because america isn't getting more violent. Violent crime has fallen by 51 percent since 1991, and property crime by 43 percent. In 2013 the violent crime rate was the lowest since 1970. And many places of Europe have higher burglary/theft and assault crimes. Like I think I know where this is going, and I'll comment about it when we cross that road.

But I've been assaulted and mugged as well, but I'm not sure if it changed any of my social or political opinions. I guess aside from most crime isn't punished well enough. <.<

In that I have prejudice, meaning I pre-judge people based on what ethnic grouping they are. Like I said, East Asians for example tend to have a higher mean and median IQ whilst cough others cough tend to commit more crime. I went to Texas, Boston and New York with the amount of crime witnessed or experienced increasing in that order. America might not be getting more violent but certain peoples within it continue to be. Yes, you probably guessed where this is going.

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@Dinh AaronMk

That's not what happened. The marxists went on to kidnap and shoot children, and mass murder people. Slaves were also the people conquered or indebted, it was more or less their own fault and the alternative was to live like the Franks with a life expectancy of like, fifteen. You have a tiny bit of a point with feudalism but even then the alternative was always worse.

I'm afraid it's not us who have to check our privilege, it's you. The ebil capitalists can't force you anymore, go make your collectivist or ancom or whatever bullshit utopia in the forest where these fucktard ideas won't spread.

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@Andreyich Okay, when you say "fear of being beat in the street" does that mean you've never actually experienced any violence of any kind?

Where do you live? <.< If that's too personal, pm me or be vague. But I'd hope it's a bit more concrete than that.

@SleepingSilence

I live in Belarus but travel a lot for work. I have over the last few years been to Hungary, America, Poland, Cuba, Finland and all ex-member states of the USSR, along with for the moment being in Canada. Despite the extremely high poverty of Eastern Europe I've only been beaten thrice and twice it was kind of my own fault for being a drunkard and yadda yadda, AND that was the only crime I ever experienced there. In America I've had shit stolen from me repeatedly, and also got in a few fights; when I went to Canada I looked up what the whitest cities are in relation to where I need to go to work. Couldn't really find a result since google knew I was being rayciss so I instead settled for a nice Ukrainian-German community. Not even saw a single crime except for when I had to drive to the actual city for shit, the city being Toronto and much more """diverse.""" I'm actually learning French so I can ask the lads I'm working for if I can go to Quebec.

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I think hate is pretty prejudice.

@POOHEAD189

Hate is a type of prejudice, but prejudice is not all hate. Thinking East Asians are, on average, better at maths and such than me is not really hate. But it is, nevertheless racism.

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We fucked off ten or so years ago and it hasn't exactly gotten better. It wasn't exactly better twenty years ago, or thirty, or a hundred, or a thousand. Let's be fair.

@mdk

Doesn't matter, at least the shit isn't coming over to first world countries before. I mean, why do people think it's a good idea to depose vaguely secular leaders in the middle east to replace them with radical Islamic nutjobs on the preface of "muh freedom" and with the actual reasoning of "muh money."