Fabricant451

What video game are you looking forward to in 2019?

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i mean you probably like black and white lol

@Hey Im Jordan

More than the Sinnoh games, yeah.

What video game are you looking forward to in 2019?

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its not a joke, though

@Hey Im Jordan

It's kind of a joke

What video game are you looking forward to in 2019?

Platinum is far and away the best Pokémon game,

@Hey Im Jordan

Good joke, mate.

What video game are you looking forward to in 2019?

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Personally, I just want Sinnoh remakes. They're long overdue by now.

@Euphonium

Maybe they'll even be good this time!

Cinema General

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I meant nominations. And barely breaking even is still breaking even. You can make disturbing movies in the west with A-listers attatched which was what you were arguing before the goalpost shift.

@Dynamo Frokane

You didn't mean nominations. You literally said it got awards, not nominations. Those are two completely different things. My argument isn't 'you can't make disturbing movies with A-listers', my argument is 'it won't be financially viable and in this specific case the source material is not good film material unless you literally rewrite it and then it's not even the same thing'.

The Guro-verse is an allegory for insanity, isolation and depression. He sees the world in the way that no one else does after an accident he didn't ask for. Maybe you forget but he was living like this for 3 months before meeting Saya. Everyone keeps portraying fumonori like some sociopathic dick. He was a normal person until he had to endure an existance where everything looks gruesome, tastes gruesome, sounds terrifying and smells and feels like a murder scene. I challenge anyone to go 3 fucking days living like that without losing empathy for the world let alone 3 goddamn months.

Cool motive, still murder.

There are plenty of points to made about the very interesting dyanmic he has with Saya. He is sacaraficing his real humanity in so he can experience a level of false humanity because he is at a suicidal point of despair. She is the only thing that appears anything like the normality he had before the accident, and it makes perfect sense he will do anything to hang on to that.

Dress it up all you like, he's still fucking a formless pile of sludge that looks and acts like a little girl.

Gen doesn't frame any of them as the 'true' ending they are just as viable as each other. If we are going by length then the 'Koji Wins' would be the true ending which in turn is a 'he who fights monsters' theme to wrap the story up.

Somehow I think the ending with the happiest outcome for the protagonists complete with the theme and image song playing over credits counts as the true ending.

There is also the mental asylum ending, which probably could work really well for a film adaptation.

The best possible outcome for a film adaptation is not having the crazy Shoggoth fucker as the protagonist.

I mean maybe, but you could even take the fucking out and just have her as a 'captive' who is just there to be a call back to Fumi's previous life and to demonstrate Saya's growing power of genetic manipulation. If anyone plays these games thinking the sex is important to the story they are playing it wrong.

Saya no Uta is like the one eroge where the sex is important to the story though.

Koji isnt a great character but he makes sense as the former friend who is seeing someone he's known all his life change. The Doctor IS an interesting character, living a double life as a even mannered psychiatrist when shes really a half crazed obsessed conspiracy theorist with a violent mission.

The only characters that are given remotely any spotlight and attention are crazy guy and his Shoggoth waifu for obvious reasons. The Doctor only gets to field the dual role because the story has like five fucking characters and none of them are allowed to develop beyond the initial surface which is why it's jarring.

Ah yes, something as fantastical as sexual energy would suspend the disbelief of the relatable and realistic act of putting your dick into a Cthulhu.

She's not a Cthulhu.

You didnt just move the goal post you created an entirely different one and moving them around at the same time.

You would know, skipper.

I never said the movie was going to spawn the next marvel universe franchise, I said it could be made.

Cool goalposts, sport.

It would have a niche audience but the crossover from Visual Novel Weebs, Lovecraft fanatics, and Neckbeards who like psychogical horror with fucking might be enough to justify a limited release.

Yeah because Ghost in the Shell set the world on fire. This hypothetical audience you're talking about is incredibly small even by casual estimates and horror movies already struggle to do well unless it has super positive word of mouth like IT or A Quiet Place or if it's part of a franchise and made on the cheap like Paranormal Activity or The Conjuring. A limited release is not going to reach this incredibly narrow audience and it's not going to earn its cost of production.

I also don't remember saying that it should get a major release I said the film could be made.

And I said it wouldn't be good regardless and even mentioned an independent production but again good luck putting that together.

I also never said that some aspects wouldn't have to be re-written I'm saying the film could retain enough of the important themes without them. They managed to adapt The Road without keeping the fetus barbecue scene in the novel. They also managed to adapt IT twice without the sewer orgy.

Neither of those examples are core to the narratives being told in the same way that sex, love, and swallowing after blowjobs is to the porn story about fucking a Lovecraft. If you start chopping away all the familiar and important bits you're left with a product that shares the name and little else. It's like having a character who in the source material is hideously scarred and maimed as a character trait and then in the movie version you just give her pretty face like a single cut on the cheek because otherwise audiences wouldn't buy into the romance.

Saya adaptation is really straightforward, if I had any idea about screenwriting I could do it myself.

As someone who has written screenplays it's really not complicated.

Cinema General

She actually starred in Mother! Which is probably more disturbing than Saya for most people and it still got a bunch of awards

@Dynamo Frokane

No it didn't. It also barely broke even and was an incredibly polarizing movie (for some reason, considering it was trash). The only award of any actual note or merit it was even considered for was the Golden Raspberries.

This isn't anywhere near the first movie where sexual themes are explored with a non-human entity. It was pulled off with Under The Skin, Teeth, Splice, and it's predecessor 'Species' and pretty much any 'weird science' type movie with a higher than 12 rating. These movies get made.

@Dynamo Frokane

Under the Skin and Species present the non-human entity as the antagonists, Teeth is a comedy where basically non-consensual sex is the trigger for castration via vagina. These are different things outside of the vague similarity of 'horror' or 'science fiction' with 'naked girl'.

Saya no Uta isn't trying to make some broader point like Under the Skin does - where the sexual aspect is purposely downplayed - it's literally a game about a childish Shoggoth cannibal and the irredeemable fuck that enables her. He is rewarded by his deeds and for the entire climax of the story - and thus a film adaptation - it would have to literally sell the relationship in a way that a film would likely not accomplish nearly as well as it should. And this is without going into the logistics of making the meat world play well on screen.

Women being eaten by monsters is about as old as cinema itself so I don't even know why you're pretending that is an issue.

Because movies don't tend to actually show human people eating severed limbs. When monsters eat people in movies it's either bloodless (see: Jurassic World), it cuts to black, or it cuts away as the human is dropped into the mouth. Other times it's shit where something familiar, like a shark, eats someone and all there is is the blood on the water. That's quite a bit different than having two people casually eat a person over the dinner table and using the jelly shit is even sillier to imagine on camera as it was in the confines of the story.

Just because movies have done something doesn't mean it's done well.

Being turned into a fuckslave would be controversial but could be fairly tame if the shift it more to a 'timid servant' and play up the fact that she had a crush/ was already attracted to the main character so the sex isn't non-con just being turned into a Cthulhu is the main source of anguish.

There is no scenario in which a poorly written character like whatshername who exists in the plot solely to become fuckslave is done well - especially not in the current climate around Hollywood. Even if you take away the fuckslave part and make her mindless maid on a collar or whatever, that's not a character or role that will go over well and is better stripped from the script altogether.

You seem to forget there were 3 supporting female characters in Saya No Uta. The Doctor was essentially the anti-hero adversary. Hollywood continues to get away with far far far worse in regards to female representation so I can't see this being a problem.

I barely consider the friends to be characters. They're basically the first victims in a slasher movie. The supporting cast as a whole was pretty under-developed since that's not what people came for. Hollywood is far, far, far from perfect or ideal when it comes to great roles for actresses, but any adaptation of this work would need massive re-writes or else they just cast unknowns on the cheap but then you lose out on people who see movies based on name recognition.

'Feeds on Semen' is a unnecessary eroge detail to amp up the blowjob scenes. The analogy is clear, she is a black widow spider/brood mother/plague. They could easily change it to 'his sexual energy' or 'his life force' and nothing is really going to be lost in adaptation in terms of plot.

Yeah and then people are laughing in the theater as characters talk about 'sexual energy' as if they're watching a shitty hentai.

Oh wait.

Once you remove the unnecessary shit Saya isn't as hard to adapt as your trying to make it out to be.

It's not as simple as you're trying to make it seem. It would require major rewrites for market appeal but the appeal is already super low. It would work better as an independent film where they can get away with more but then they'd have to have good fucking luck at getting it screened in major theaters. Just because something works in one medium doesn't mean it'll make the transition to another smoothly.

In other news, Aquaman was a garbage movie.

Cinema General

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Carrie, Christine, The Shining, Misery, Stand By Me, Firestarter, The Dead Zone, The Running Man, The Children of the Corn, Shawshank Fucking Redemption, The Green Mile, Apt Pupil, IT, Gerald's Game, The Mist, Survivor Type, Dolores Claiborne and Cujo beg to disagree with your nuclear hot take.

@Dynamo Frokane

Three of those movies are good.

Which goes in line with the whole 'almost always bad'.

Much like your views on Digimon Cyber Sleuth, I don't think most of those are good movies. Thus my initial comment stands.

More to the point, many of King's adaptations fundamentally gut and change things to be more palatable to often ill effect because no one is going to buy into cosmic turtle bullshit that King loves so much. Good luck selling audiences on a movie where the central character fucks a Shoggoth loli girl who feeds on semen in order to remake the world in her image while also having the titular character turn the nothing female supporting characters into fodder and a mindless fuck slave. Because somewhere between 'central character fucks a Lovecraft' and 'feeds on semen' is where the studio starts demanding a rewrite until you get Jennifer Lawrence's boring ass shitting up the Song of Sara.

What video game are you looking forward to in 2019?

Metroid Prime 4 (???????)

@Gelatinous Cube

Hah, good luck.

Cinema General

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Which was actually my original point, these kind of films/projects do get greenlit & made.

@Dynamo Frokane

Yes, and it's my point that these projects are almost always bad.

Cinema General

The source material wasn't that great to begin with tbh

@Dynamo Frokane

Hasn't stopped them from making IT. Or Under the Dome.