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Lets talk about JonTron and his possibly racist views.

@Chrononaut Someone's lit a fire under this doggo's ass, he seems to be on a roll right now.

Lets talk about JonTron and his possibly racist views.

I dunno, I don't think that is the case to be honest. I'm just not convinced that that the abuse of the race card is so out of control compared to the potential shit that would be caused by aborting the taboo. Shit does happen, but it seems to be systematically contained.

JonTron and Pewdiepie are two different situations though. Pewdiepie isn't a racist, he's just unfunny. JonTron actually insinuated some racist shit. I agree that we shouldn't let the word racism completely lose it's meaning, but that also means not going the other direction and thinking that racism requires explicit violence or slurs or whatever.

when did the right wing get into post-modernism? i'm used to post modernism being something edgy left wing kids do. where the fuck this idea that it's not cool to call it racism, that it must be called a "non-standard" view come from? this is some weird shit. Is this the new political correctness?

Just because somebody is racist in that way doesn't make them evil. Personally I just think JonTron is a dumbass. But just because they are not evil doesn't mean we must with-hold the racism term, since doing so would drain the term of all meaning. Just because some people have abused to term doesn't mean that racism no longer is a term at all.

@Vilageidiotx

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@SleepingSilence So now its not only goal post shifting you are adding qualifiers. 'Twisting your words' give me a damn break. You can just make up these standards and say what does and doesn't count as discussion to you, but all those threads were a discussion. I'm starting to get Deja vu of you accusing me of trolling, when I'm just responding to your posts, which would place you in the same boat as me. I also don't really care how much emoticon fueled fun you are having but the fact you need to bring it up makes me think that the lady doth protest too much.

You cant stay away from these 'divisive' threads you claim to hate so much, so clearly me and everyone else who makes them should continue for your benefit.

I didn't call you creepy, I said your one comment was creepy and over familiar, and I removed the post at your request, but for someone who's having so much fun, it really seems to be making you quite upset, sadly I can do nothing to erase it from your memory, you're just going to have to deal with it.

Anyway I'm sure everyone in this thread feels like you are intellectually owning me, better keep responding to protect your reputation as a laid back, rational debate machine. xD

EDIT: also make sure you re-run another tired google chrome spelling mistake joke, I can tell by all the laughs you are getting that everyone here thinks you are hi-larious.

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@Dinh AaronMk

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that moment when gloating about how civil your thread is, makes your thread pretty un-civil

@mdk

ohh I dont think this thread is particularly civil, all hope is lost on this one.

Still doesnt change the fact that some political threads can be civil, as per the ones I've mentioned.

EDIT: but apart from the ace of hearts and pug butter thing, we've largely stayed away from the personal attacks so I'd agree its still civil enough, just not particularly friendly.

Lets talk about JonTron and his possibly racist views.

The problem with a buzzword like racism is that it has many different meanings, and people tend to think of the strongest use of the word. You could call JonTron racist for his views, sure. We could call Dynamo Frokane a racist for implying that JonTron might be racist, even if he never directly said it. I could be called a racist for calling Dynamo black, because I'm "seeing his color." Everyone's scared of being called a racist because people still think it's a term that only applies to the worst kind of people.

@BrokenPromise

I don't really consider myself black, but I wouldn't think you 'racist' for saying so.

@Buddha@mdk

I completely agree that there are a lot of professional victims who throw around words like racism and sexism too liberally, but it doesnt mean that they still arent real terms.

Racism is a real thing, its not a buzzword, or an emotional term, or just weaponised slang. Its a real adjective with real meaning. And its okay to call people racist if they are saying racist things, just because SJWs call everyone racist, it doesnt mean that calling someone racist makes you an SJW.

Also it doesnt have to have an agenda behind it, I can point out someones racism without wanting them to go to jail or lose their job. Maybe its because I want that person to reconsider their views, it doesnt have to be used maliciously.

Again this isn't really about jon tron, he seems to have some strange ideas about race that lean towards racism, but I'm not convinced hes an outright racist, I think hes just sipped some alt right kool-aid and hasnt had enough time to spit it up.

I don't think (and I don't think anyone here thinks) racism is bad because wahhh my feelings *sob* I think racism is bad because its ignorant and doesn't hold up to hard reasoning. Assigning flaky attributes to something that doesn't scientifically exist is just illogical, if youre all about 'facts not feelings' then you should be with me on this.

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@SleepingSilenceYep see 'shifting the goal post', you've changed your original claim.

Disagree. Nothing on this forum discussing politics ever stayed civil. But clearly at an impasse. :D

@SleepingSilence

Now you're saying 'majority' that's a goalpost shift, try and keep an eye on what you write bud, so it isnt so easy to expose stuff like this xD

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@SleepingSilence so basically, you said there were NO political threads that remained civil, and even if we discount that one where we were JOKING around (calling ppl cucks) there is still 2 more than you said possible, so I'm right and you're wrong YAY. Also I saw you having a spat in that video game music thread with the OP. Are you going to tell me VGM is politics too?

See here is the difference, I NEVER said that people dont get nasty in political threads, I said its possible for them to be civil and lookie there, I was right.

You are also asserting that people ONLY get heated over political threads which I can also prove is totally false, people can get heated over ANYTHING.

But if your only counter is to shift goalposts and point out spelling mistakes then I'd say my work is done, enjoy the rest of your stay in my thread sir.

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@Dynamo Frokane Not really. :D

Aside from the two in row I mentioned. I'm too lazy to do so. :D

Disagree. Nothing on this forum discussing politics ever stayed civil. But clearly at an impasse. :D

@SleepingSilence

Disregarding everything else, you cant produce much evidence for that claim but its not true, nothing to do with laziness, There has been a lot of political and 'divisive' threads not made by me.

Also I could literally start giving you a list of political threads that have stayed civil.

Youre saying there isnt one, here's 3

roleplayerguild.com/topics/159673-oi-p..

roleplayerguild.com/topics/153390-your..

roleplayerguild.com/topics/159100-why-..

Everything in these threads have stayed civil, no personal attacks or nasty insults (apart from a joking satire paragraph in the political compass thread which is clearly a joke), Youre perception of politics in Off-topic is just wrong. Dont know what esle to tell, ya. Anyway I'm all done now enjoy my mildly political thread that you seem to like posting in :D