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Okay...Two quick things though. Have you heard of the term "brilliant, but lazy?"
2. You put judgement as a synonym of intelligent, meaning good judgement is largely similar to having good intelligence, which intelligence is the main argument. But then you said Vesta's judgement is bad. See where I'm going with this?
*rubs temples*
Did you only read the synonyms (similar meaning, not exact meaning) and not the definition itself?
I said her judgement isn't great, not that it was bad for a start. And even then it's only when it involves her ego, as her thought process is to prevent her reputation from being tarnished. Everyone has made bad calls so far, therefore everyone has had poor judgement at one stage or another. 'Clouded judgement' will happen to everyone at one stage, just depends on the situation. As bishop stated a lot of the stupid things characters will do isn't because of the character but the roleplayer.
Using poor judgement as the only factor for not being highly intelligent is completely irrational and illogical. As listed in the DEFINITION judgement is one aspect of intelligence, not the be all and end all.
Mithril by that logic is the least intelligent, because to be frank he has the worst judgement (Other than maybe Aleph XD).
And if we're to cherry pick synonyms allow me to cherry pick one. Vesta has talent, talent is a synonym. Therefore since Vesta has talent in bucketloads; she's also got intelligence in bucketloads. See the problem with that logic/line of reasoning?
Related to the Genius Ditz or the Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass, you have the Brilliant, But Lazy character, who is more than capable of taking care of any situation that the heroes have to deal with, but doesn't care. He'd rather relax and do nothing to help. This character will likely Refuse The Call when it comes, feeling that, whatever's going on, it's not his problem. Expect them to be very sarcastic as well.
Expect such a character to be indifferent, uncaring, and, at worst, obnoxious or self-centered.
However, when it's crunch time, and the heroes need someone to come save them, guess who decided to give them a break?
Subtrope of Jerk with a Heart of Gold, and often a form of Obfuscating Stupidity. Can be associated with Book Dumb. If they're also rich, they may be an Upper-Class Twit. When they try to be The Slacker, they usually turn into a Professional Slacker. See also Unskilled, but Strong, which a Brilliant But Lazy character can be if they have great power but don't bother working to improve on it.
An obvious subversion here is the notable difference between someone who actually is Brilliant But Lazy and someone who thinks they're Brilliant But Lazy but is actually just Lazy. This also applies to those who are secretly afraid they're not brilliant and hence refuse to exert themselves for fear they'll be exposed. They should also beware of falling into the trap of Laborious Laziness if they find that their smarts and their desire to avoid doing work is in fact making them work harder at being lazy than they would be working if they just did what they were supposed to.
May overlap with the Erudite Stoner, whose laziness comes from being under the influence, and the Absent-Minded Professor, who may seem lazy because his intellect distracts him from everyday tasks. Contrast Nerds Love Tough Schoolwork. See also, Hidden Depths.
I was familiar with the term before hand I just like to bring facts and definitions to the table when I debate. Vesta fits this trope somewhat, but what does this have to do with anything? She also fits a few other tropes.
This all circles back to the definition now. The ability to gain and apply knowledge and skills. Vesta does that, but it doesn't matter how smart you are there are downsides to knowing too much. E.g. overthink situations.
Intelligence has been defined in many different ways including as one's capacity for logic, understanding, self-awareness, learning, emotional knowledge, planning, creativity and problem solving. It can be more generally described as the ability to perceive information, and to retain it as knowledge to be applied towards adaptive behaviors within an environment or context.
Now to check what defines intelligence...
Logic. Check.
Understanding. Depends on the subject obviously. Like anyone else. Blanc has no understanding of the human's because she wasn't raised around them, just as Vesta has no understanding of elves since there is little information about them among humans and she wasn't raised around elves.
Self-awareness. Depends on what you mean by that, if one means the environment around them then check. If one means themselves in general then she has too much self-awareness XD
Learning. Check.
Emotional Knowledge. Check. (She just doesn't care)
Planning. Check.
Creativity. Hasn't had a chance to showcase too much but check.
Problem solving. Depends, does it count when you're the problem and solution? XD
Can she perceive information, retain it as knowledge and apply it to adapt to an environment or context? Yes. Whether she decides to or not is a completely different topic, as if one couldn't guess she isn't very tactful or diplomatic in any form.
On another note Heinrich totally fits the Unskilled, but strong trope XD
And now that I think about it...wasn't there a guy with a divine protection which made his mind like a computer? He would be the smartest XD (Though his roleplayer hasn't logged in in like a month)