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So, @Sophrus you want to get Oskar's two-cents in about what's going on before I have Urgrugg reply?
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Well then... with that, I think it's only Vedius left to get to the new boat.
@Wraithblade6 What dialogue? Urgrugg roasted his mouth when he let off the plasma blast. Orks heal fast, but it's still gonna be at least a half hour or so before he can talk... assuming he doesn't eat anybody.
Sooo... we still waiting on JB, or has the no-posting order been lifted?
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No, but seriously, it's literal magic... all the available psykers would be too busy looking out for eldar mind controlling key battlefield personnel, to be explicitly scanning for someone tossing off small-time powers.
And by small, I mean compared to the fluctuating void shields, vortex missiles, and general eldar presence happening all around it. He'd be just another drop in the bucket for things fucking with the localized area of the warp.
So, literally, magic... "I'll do something over here, but you won't see it because you're looking over there."
Here being warp plasma, there being a vortex missile.
No, but seriously, it's literal magic... all the available psykers would be too busy looking out for eldar mind controlling key battlefield personnel, to be explicitly scanning for someone tossing off small-time powers.
And by small, I mean compared to the fluctuating void shields, vortex missiles, and general eldar presence happening all around it. He'd be just another drop in the bucket for things fucking with the localized area of the warp.
So, literally, magic... "I'll do something over here, but you won't see it because you're looking over there."
Here being warp plasma, there being a vortex missile.
Let it be known, I've not been trying to say Urgrugg's little tiff with Xeph would go unnoticed. Fire alarms would be going off, screaming and yelling would be alerting guards, the machine spirit would likely register damage to and unsanctioned opening of the prison cells. The dead commissar not reporting in would definitely raise some flag.
No no, I'm just saying it wouldn't have pinged on any psyker radar. I phrased it poorly, but I meant our element of surprise has been taken away; they'll be expecting psyker trouble when they come for us. The ship would have been alerted to our presence as soon as Xeph had a fist fight with a solid metal door. We're in a giant, metal tunnel. That shit echoes, man.
No no, I'm just saying it wouldn't have pinged on any psyker radar. I phrased it poorly, but I meant our element of surprise has been taken away; they'll be expecting psyker trouble when they come for us. The ship would have been alerted to our presence as soon as Xeph had a fist fight with a solid metal door. We're in a giant, metal tunnel. That shit echoes, man.
@BCTheEntity That's not how telepathy works in 40k.
In 40k, the majority of warp powers reach into the warp to take something. It could be warp energy, daemons, etc. That energy is then drawn into the psyker casting the spell, shaped by the arcane aspects of the spell casting, and released into the materium as whatever it was made into. Other psykers can feel this as a siphoning of local warp energy within the warp, or as the presence of latent warp energy within the materium. However, both of those things have extremely limited range unless the psyker in question is actively looking for them, and that takes a great deal of concentration. There are also things that powerful, experienced psykers can do to hide themselves.
Telepathy, however, works entirely differently. Telepathy doesn't actually touch the materium. Whenever a psyker uses telepathy, they send their mind into the warp via the natural connection between the two. They then filter through the millions of minds near them in the warp, until they find what they're looking for. Unless a mind is actively sending itself into the warp, it would read the same as every other mind. Even psykers would just read as another mind within the storm.
When another psyker is using telepathy, however, that's different. At that point, they are still another mind among millions, but they are one of the extremely rare minds that's sending something into the warp besides emotions and energy. To other telepaths, this is a massive beacon. Astropaths can identify each other because of a ritual they all undergo before becoming official astropaths. So, when they see another telepath broadcasting into the warp, they know whether or not it's one of theirs.
A powerful and/or experienced telepath knows how to hide himself. However, it's highly unlikely that your toady knows how to do this, or is strong enough to pull it off, as most astropaths who have years of training and field experience aren't capable of it.
In this case, it's not a matter of power level. Lucius's little buddy is basically trying to hack the modern day Pentagon with a laptop from the 90s and a single software class under his belt. He's hitting above his pay grade.
@Sophrus You've basically said it yourself. Yes, atropaths regularly search the ship they're on for foreign psykers, chaos corruption, etc. Most astropaths don't even do it because they're ordered to, they're just bored and want to experiment.
However, they wouldn't be doing this during combat. Astropaths, while powerful as a choir, aren't particularly strong psykers. It takes time, effort, and concentration for them to pinpoint other psykers. When in a choir, they all need to be working towards the same goal. During combat, that goal isn't going to be psychic look out. It's going to be defending the ship, and sending/receiving information as fast as possible.
The problem here is, the information they're looking for, and the things they're defending the ship from (i.e. telepathic assault from foreign agents) are both on the spectrum of things they would be doing that will also make them see the telepathy beacon walking beside Lucius. Given he's searching for people he's never interacted with telepathically before, he's likely taking a great deal of time to brush over the millions of minds around him. That takes time, and makes him very obvious, as it wouldn't be clear to another telepath why he's touching on minds in their territory. Only that he is, and could use that connection to potentially try and mind control them.
In 40k, the majority of warp powers reach into the warp to take something. It could be warp energy, daemons, etc. That energy is then drawn into the psyker casting the spell, shaped by the arcane aspects of the spell casting, and released into the materium as whatever it was made into. Other psykers can feel this as a siphoning of local warp energy within the warp, or as the presence of latent warp energy within the materium. However, both of those things have extremely limited range unless the psyker in question is actively looking for them, and that takes a great deal of concentration. There are also things that powerful, experienced psykers can do to hide themselves.
Telepathy, however, works entirely differently. Telepathy doesn't actually touch the materium. Whenever a psyker uses telepathy, they send their mind into the warp via the natural connection between the two. They then filter through the millions of minds near them in the warp, until they find what they're looking for. Unless a mind is actively sending itself into the warp, it would read the same as every other mind. Even psykers would just read as another mind within the storm.
When another psyker is using telepathy, however, that's different. At that point, they are still another mind among millions, but they are one of the extremely rare minds that's sending something into the warp besides emotions and energy. To other telepaths, this is a massive beacon. Astropaths can identify each other because of a ritual they all undergo before becoming official astropaths. So, when they see another telepath broadcasting into the warp, they know whether or not it's one of theirs.
A powerful and/or experienced telepath knows how to hide himself. However, it's highly unlikely that your toady knows how to do this, or is strong enough to pull it off, as most astropaths who have years of training and field experience aren't capable of it.
In this case, it's not a matter of power level. Lucius's little buddy is basically trying to hack the modern day Pentagon with a laptop from the 90s and a single software class under his belt. He's hitting above his pay grade.
@Sophrus You've basically said it yourself. Yes, atropaths regularly search the ship they're on for foreign psykers, chaos corruption, etc. Most astropaths don't even do it because they're ordered to, they're just bored and want to experiment.
However, they wouldn't be doing this during combat. Astropaths, while powerful as a choir, aren't particularly strong psykers. It takes time, effort, and concentration for them to pinpoint other psykers. When in a choir, they all need to be working towards the same goal. During combat, that goal isn't going to be psychic look out. It's going to be defending the ship, and sending/receiving information as fast as possible.
The problem here is, the information they're looking for, and the things they're defending the ship from (i.e. telepathic assault from foreign agents) are both on the spectrum of things they would be doing that will also make them see the telepathy beacon walking beside Lucius. Given he's searching for people he's never interacted with telepathically before, he's likely taking a great deal of time to brush over the millions of minds around him. That takes time, and makes him very obvious, as it wouldn't be clear to another telepath why he's touching on minds in their territory. Only that he is, and could use that connection to potentially try and mind control them.
@BCTheEntity I'll say it one more time;
Psychic energy doesn't matter. Telepathy matters.
@Sophrus No, they wouldn't be. Any psyker with a brain knows better than to waist the time. If they wanted to pull off a covert attack, they would cloak their presence in the warp. They're eldar, they know they glow psyker, and they're still considered masters of stealth and surprise. Piss-ant astropaths wouldn't be able to find them if they didn't want to be found.
If the eldar weren't trying to be sneaky about getting on board, then you wouldn't need an astropath to tell you they had. You'd be able to tell by the giant wraith ship that just rammed your hull.
We were protected by the fact that no one should be crazy enough to try and pull off what we are. However, we're protagonists, so the plot is on our side. The plot is still on our side, we'll just have a harder fight of it because they're going to spot the foreign psyker. No, they're not going to respond with full-scale counter boarding action. More likely, they'll suspect one of the penal legion has somehow been corrupted by chaos. Criminals turning out to be cultists does just happen.
Psychic energy doesn't matter. Telepathy matters.
@Sophrus No, they wouldn't be. Any psyker with a brain knows better than to waist the time. If they wanted to pull off a covert attack, they would cloak their presence in the warp. They're eldar, they know they glow psyker, and they're still considered masters of stealth and surprise. Piss-ant astropaths wouldn't be able to find them if they didn't want to be found.
If the eldar weren't trying to be sneaky about getting on board, then you wouldn't need an astropath to tell you they had. You'd be able to tell by the giant wraith ship that just rammed your hull.
We were protected by the fact that no one should be crazy enough to try and pull off what we are. However, we're protagonists, so the plot is on our side. The plot is still on our side, we'll just have a harder fight of it because they're going to spot the foreign psyker. No, they're not going to respond with full-scale counter boarding action. More likely, they'll suspect one of the penal legion has somehow been corrupted by chaos. Criminals turning out to be cultists does just happen.
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Quote: "Every starship that plies the Warp routes of the Imperium and beyond has at least one, and most likely an entire cabal of Navigators to guide it safely through the Immaterium."
Emphasis mine
Also of note, the list of powers that astropath choirs can pull off are amazing feats. When working together, they are not to be underestimated.
@BCTheEntity Again, the problem isn't that he used a psyker power. The ship is in combat, against eldar. The astropaths aren't going to be scanning the ship for psykers. Any psyker just being on board, without even casting a spell, could be spotted by an astropath looking for one if the psyker doesn't know how to mask himself. What's hiding us is that they have no reason to be looking, or they didn't.
The problem is that he's using telepathy. The core purpose of astropaths is to look for telepathic signals and powers at all times. They spend years in training to do exactly that, and then gain more years of experience doing it every day for the rest of their lives.
They Will identify him as not being another astropath. Astropaths all undergo the 'soul binding' ritual, that leaves them completely purified. That's how they identify each other in the warp; because nothing else in the warp reads like they do.
Then, once he's been spotted, the astropath will turn his attention to finding him, and do so within minutes.
So, yea... pretty boned.
Quote: "Every starship that plies the Warp routes of the Imperium and beyond has at least one, and most likely an entire cabal of Navigators to guide it safely through the Immaterium."
Emphasis mine
Also of note, the list of powers that astropath choirs can pull off are amazing feats. When working together, they are not to be underestimated.
@BCTheEntity Again, the problem isn't that he used a psyker power. The ship is in combat, against eldar. The astropaths aren't going to be scanning the ship for psykers. Any psyker just being on board, without even casting a spell, could be spotted by an astropath looking for one if the psyker doesn't know how to mask himself. What's hiding us is that they have no reason to be looking, or they didn't.
The problem is that he's using telepathy. The core purpose of astropaths is to look for telepathic signals and powers at all times. They spend years in training to do exactly that, and then gain more years of experience doing it every day for the rest of their lives.
They Will identify him as not being another astropath. Astropaths all undergo the 'soul binding' ritual, that leaves them completely purified. That's how they identify each other in the warp; because nothing else in the warp reads like they do.
Then, once he's been spotted, the astropath will turn his attention to finding him, and do so within minutes.
So, yea... pretty boned.
Wait... how'd Urgrugg bugger up anything? I haven't posted since the last time you said anything. Nothing has changed. Lucius's little toady is the only one who's done anything to alert the ship beyond what punching open a metal door with a fist wrapped in metal would do.
Also; no offense, JB, but if you didn't foresee the use of psyker powers by one of the three separate psykers in this group during hostile boarding action, well... I mean, you had to have seen this coming. Expecting psykers armed with literally nothing else not to use warp powers in battle is like expecting a space marine not to use a bolter.
Also; no offense, JB, but if you didn't foresee the use of psyker powers by one of the three separate psykers in this group during hostile boarding action, well... I mean, you had to have seen this coming. Expecting psykers armed with literally nothing else not to use warp powers in battle is like expecting a space marine not to use a bolter.
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