POOHEAD189

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Also how is there not a beer called smallpox so you can get a case of it?

@Penny

To protect humanity from the overflow of puns!

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double post :P

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If someone said that to you in real life you would back the hell away without making eye contact.

Well that's a loose translation. Another one is 'if you are my friends, do as I do.' I mean if what he tells them gives them eternal life (if one subscribes), and they believe it, then it's not the weirdest thing to say. He just got done saying that what he does is based on what the father wants, so they should do as he does.

Of course if you don't believe it sounds off the walls, but if you do it makes sense in the context of the texts.

Boys boys, both of your imaginary friends are pretty.

@Penny

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I mean, it's heretical. Blasphemy is a pretty specific thing and it's bad (in some teachings, unforgivable -- seems like a stretch, but that's the sort of gravity the word implies). Heretical just means it's outside the teachings of Christ, which is a much broader word. God's got all kinds of love for heretics (as he must, because at some point all of us were/are heretics and we all do heretical things all the time). The parable of the prodigal son is the best summary of how that all plays out.

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eh. And also, that's not something Paul dreamed up. And also again -- Luke wasn't an apostle, so he and Paul are pretty much on a level.

END OF THE DAY -- look we're saying the same thing. Only reason I jumped in with an argument was like.... it's not a "have to" situation, if you actually believe that Jesus is who he said he was, then that belief ought (naturally) to cause in that person a desire to do good things. If it doesn't, then it wasn't faith in the first place.

@mdk

Yeah, I think we're pretty much agreed other than semantics, or delving into the Council of Nicea which is something I think we should not do. So, I getcha^^

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I wish I found this when we were talking about how tall dudes are.

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Christian Theology

My understanding (it's been a while) is slightly (but significantly) different, and you could chalk that up to theological differences.... But the way I understand it is, belief is sufficient on its own (Romans 10:9), and also, if you DO believe, you'll follow through (Luke 6:43-45). It's not so much "You have to do Christian-y things" (Ephesians 2:8-9) -- that's the symptom, not the salvation. It's not something you buy with good behavior, because you can't afford it. It's a gift you're given and grateful for and, if that's true, you're not wasting it on trivial bullshit.

@mdk

You're not entirely wrong. I never said you need to earn your way to heaven. That's why I clarified with phrases such as 'Of course, since we are human, all of that is pretty much impossible. But to attempt to live in the faith, as much as you can, is something God wishes.' True belief merits action. One who does believe will acts accordingly.

John 14'15: If you love me, obey my commandments.

John 15'14 (lol): You are my friends if you obey me.

and the most important one

Luke 13'24: The door to heaven is narrow. Work hard to get in, because many will try to enter. But when the head of the house has locked the door, it will be too late. Then you will be standing outside knocking and pleading 'Lord, open the door for us!' But he will reply 'I do not know you.' You will say 'but we ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.' And he will reply 'I tell you, I don't know you. Go away, all you who do evil.'

Now, theologically, it is true to say that no amount of good works can 'buy' someone into heaven. Because Heaven is a perfect paradise and no man is perfect, therefore no one is ever worthy. However, to not attempt to live a live of giving and kindness is also blasphemous. To put it simply:

If you love Jesus, you'll care about following him. If you care about following him, you'll do christ-like things. If you do christ-like things, you'd be a follower. Someone cannot say 'I love God and am a believer' and then regularly cheat on his wife, for instance.

Also always take Romans with a grain of salt. Not to say it is false, per say. However, Paul is not Jesus. Romans and the like is secondary compared to books like Luke.

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Norse Paganism

My guess is that it was created when humans were created, so that probably means the creation of the universe. Cows licks salt block and creates the first aesir, who were trapped in the block. Beyond that? Your guess is as good as mine.

@Odin

Didn't Audumbla the Cow lick the first Aesir out of ice and not salt? I don't recall reading a translation that claimed it was salt, or salt water.

The Band of Fools

@Kassarock Good luck on the conferences, my friend.

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@SleepingSilence No worries. I guess I wrote the post as if I was #triggered at you, but it was more of a correction, albeit a distinction that I believe should be acknowledged.