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<Snipped quote by Mercenary Lord>

Nah you could prolly make a triad character but just keep in mind that they're concentrated in the Southern provinces of China


sounds good,

thats about what i expected
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also Shadowrun ain't real cyberpunk.

real cyberpunk doesn't have dragons, or trolls, or magicky native americans. part of the draw of cyberpunk should be the closeness to a world of our own or of the near future. i can't really imagine a future where portions of the population suddenly become orcs.

Shadowrun just tries for an appeal to a wider audience by pasting in all the D&D stuff, but as a result the game becomes D&D with guns and computers
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@Didgeridont I have to respectfully disagree. It's cyberpunk with elements of fantasy; doesn't make it less cyberpunk.
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Well, not exactly "within 24 hrs" or on calendar "tomorrow" but it's still Monday to me, dagit!

No picture because I'm not an artsy type and I don't much like the idea of lifting an existing character.

Anyway... Our Rigger. Lemme know if anything needs changing.

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@Didgeridont I have to respectfully disagree. It's cyberpunk with elements of fantasy; doesn't make it less cyberpunk.


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Can you find an image/picture that would fit your character? I prefer having a visual component to solidify a character's features so that everyone has a clear idea of how they look like. I get that it might irk you but I don't think an image you find would necessarily conflict with another person's vision of that specific piece of art (unless you take something from the first page of a google image search and I see the same "cool edgy anime man" that I've seen a dozen times)
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I love anime, it's just too good.

But if there is a anime pic, it's over...
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@Didgeridont I have to respectfully disagree. It's cyberpunk with elements of fantasy; doesn't make it less cyberpunk.


Doesn't adding foreign elements to a pool change the nature of the pool? If you take Mexican food and add French ingredients and style, is it still Mexican food? If you mix the syntax, poetry, and vernacular of a Shakespearean play—even only in medium doses—into contemporary young adult literature (i.e. clichéd garbage a very different taste), is it still either of them, or some fresh abomination meriting its own category? Sure, it contains elements of either particular food, genre, etc., but mixing such opposing components, so long as the proportions are not dramatically inequivalent, creates not just a new hue, but a new colour all together.

At least, that's my two cents.
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It's less "Mexican food made with French ingredients" and more "Mexican food made with Mexican ingredients and then also adding some French ingredients," as it doesn't lose any cyberpunk before the addition of fantasy elements. The rest of those examples see flawed, as in order for them to make sense, something from the original medium, i.e. contemporary English, would have to be lost. It is fundamentally cyberpunk, but other mechanisms have been added. It doesn't actually lose any of the original cyberpunk. From any metric I've seen, cyberpunk isn't measured by whether there is inclusion of elves and magic, but whether the fundamentals of cyberpunk itself are present.
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@RedGentleman

It's less "Mexican food made with French ingredients" and more "Mexican food made with Mexican ingredients and then also adding some French ingredients," as it doesn't lose any cyberpunk before the addition of fantasy elements. The rest of those examples see flawed, as in order for them to make sense, something from the original medium, i.e. contemporary English, would have to be lost. It is fundamentally cyberpunk, but other mechanisms have been added. It doesn't actually lose any of the original cyberpunk. From any metric I've seen, cyberpunk isn't measured by whether there is inclusion of elves and magic, but whether the fundamentals of cyberpunk itself are present.


In that case, I would direct you to American culture as a more complete allegory, since you seem to be missing the point, old friend. I certainly wouldn't call American culture, even in the early/mid 1800s, British culture. The base does not define the whole, as the introduction of such non-belonging elements—Irish culture, black culture, Eastern culture; orcs, elves, magic—change both the nature and the action of a world. In America, we get the melting pot phenomenon, complete with all its diversities, tensions, and nuances that make it so distinct from its homogenous Anglican base. In cyberpunk, the addition of fantasy elements creates new issues, new approaches to old issues, and warps the culture into something not dissimilar but nonetheless unique.

Edit: Upon further consideration, I direct you thusly en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox suggest that we stop wasting these good people's time with our insipid debate.
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Friends, although I am sure many are quite impressed by your dedication to the purity of the genre, I feel obliged to remind you that the definitions of both genres, cyberpunk and fantasy alike, are vague and encompassing. Something can be both A and B at the same time without diminishing either aspect. If it is not your cup of tea, then it is not. That does not lessen the enjoyment of others.

I feel it is also largely inaccurate to say a genre of literature is akin to a cuisine or culture. One can have Jazz with elements of Rock. It is still both Jazz and Rock at the same time. Whether it falls into one category or the other depends on whether one aspect overpowers the other. One can have a young adult fiction with Shakespearean elements or even language. One can have historical fiction with fantasy elements. One can even have futuristic dystopian fiction with fantasy elements. It does not diminish any side of the story.

Whether something is A with traits of B, B with traits of A, or something entirely unique does not really pertain to the RP at hand. From my understanding, we have no fantasy elements in this RP. Is that not the only aspect that actually pertains in this case?
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@RedGentleman

But by the same token, one could argue that, as the original and basic problems of cyberpunk are still present, it should be presented instead as a future vs. past allegory. Would we call British culture in, say, 1573 the same as it is currently? No. However, there are certain common threads that tie it together (line of succession, geographical position, etc.), and thus it is still British, just a different version of British. There are plenty of commonalities to tie something like Cyberpunk 2020 to Shadowrun.

@JBRam2002

At this point, I think it's rapidly becoming a case of simply arguing a point for the sake and fun of argumentation. We'll move it to PM.
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Worry not; I'm just here to give Lemons a hard time. I myself, caring little for either cyberpunk or fantasy* have no commitment to "purity". My only commitments are to good logic and ruining Lemons' time.

*While I'm not a "fan" of cyberpunk or fantasy, particularly when it comes to literature, in the case of RPs I enjoy them as mediums for creative storytelling, and thus I am here.
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This is cyberpunk, not china, punk...
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Not quite done yet but I have most of the CS written out. I left parts of the history vague because I like using flashbacks in character to flesh out my characters' past experiences. If any more detail needs to be added, I'd be happy to do so. Currently pecking away at what's left using my phone since I'm at work.

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@Nohbdy

Can you find an image/picture that would fit your character? I prefer having a visual component to solidify a character's features so that everyone has a clear idea of how they look like. I get that it might irk you but I don't think an image you find would necessarily conflict with another person's vision of that specific piece of art (unless you take something from the first page of a google image search and I see the same "cool edgy anime man" that I've seen a dozen times)


It's less about conflicting with somebody else's vision of the piece, and more about not wanting to steal somebody's work. Also if I use an image of an actual character from media, that could color both characters in my mind in a way I'd like to avoid. Regardless, I'm working on a solution, we'll see how (or if) it turns out.
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Ok guys character apps are going to close
8/16 8:00 P.M. EST.


Make sure you get your apps in/finish them up before then. Gotta put my foot down at some point.

I'll post the introductory IC post around that time, but I'll have some special instructions for you all to do before you post. More info will be revealed tomorrow, at the hour of reckoning.
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@Didgeridont HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE
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Aside from the image (which won't be up anytime soon), I'm good to go.

But yeah, hype mode activated.
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@Didgeridont Got any ideas for Chiue's cover story?
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