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figures.


No it doesnt figure, I dont remember calling you a racist, and even if I made an off-hand joke implying you said something a little racial, it certainly wouldn't have been two whole fucking pages worth, as if I have that sort of energy.

If you want to post my two pages worth of accusations of racism you're welcome to do so. But what I think really happened is that you are mistaken or got me confused with someone else.

I mean in your own words, your memory is pretty shit when it comes to me.

Look, in all honesty, I can't remember what you said two pages ago (though I'm pretty sure it wasn't that Rin was Best Girl, so you were probably wrong). I don't think about you that much.


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You thought that Poohead was left wing, so youre probably not the best person to identify where the middle is.


No, I described the way what the centre is is typically a matter of perspective. But you're not educated on the economic/philosphical/historical origins of political ideas and ideology so no surprise.
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Haha you forgot to say M'lady.




You just can't help yourself Dynamo.

So the idea that I use ad homenims to make up for a lack of argument begs the question: 'What argument in the first place?'


That's what we're wondering. Aside from "Hahaa, you suck" what exactly is your argument for.. you know.. anything? Everyone here talks about the issues, takes a stand, provides evidence for their claims and crafts an argument. You find one little thing about someone as a person and hammer on it for months. Months. Think about that.

I'm not attacking the dude's romantic life, I'm attacking his humblebrag quotes about how girls run to him and he doesnt chase them.


Young person says something that doesn't come off perfectly on the internet. Good golly. That's never happened before! Better get Dynamo Frokane, righter of internet wrongs, defender of women's virtue and slayer of cringe on the case!

How Poohead sees his romantic life is no business of yours Dynamo. You don't even care except that it gives you someone to mock and feel superior too.

(Also, has it occurred to you that Poohead is young and surrounded by other young people who are filled to the brim with hormones and questionable judgement? A touch of good genetics and some exercise and you have a situation in which a young man may be approached by girls who are interested.)

When its very obvious that while obviously a smart and or charming guy of course he chases girls he likes, just like damn near every non-celebrity straight male, including me in the world does.


Maybe you're ugly and he's hot.

But your point about attack character is a load of crap, every serious debate I've had has kept the focus strictly on the argument, and very respectful.


Given the response of the other posters in this thread after you posted I'm going to have to say the evidence isn't looking good Dynamo.

I'll happily debate you on a subject without resorting to any sort of attacks


Ohhhh now you want to have a debate without ad hominems.

Which is incidentally why I find it quite frustrating when your new right-wing waifu Kratesis says that he's Alt-Right but wont give me one good reason apart from a ridiculous "No true scotsman, he's either every label or none of them".


You never asked me Dynamo. You literally never asked. You have absolutely no idea what I believe on the subject. You just jumped straight into personal jabs.

The intent is playful


No it isn't. The intent is never playful. You just hide behind that to excuse your behavior. You jab and poke and mock and belittle and then deny everything or claim it was "just a prank bro." And you expect us to believe that, like we're developmentally delayed tenth graders or something.

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Quotes or it didn't happen.


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@mdk@The Harbinger of Ferocity I swear I have no idea how you two deal with this stuff...

You thought that Poohead was left wing.


My man...something about the things you say. Just draws me in...

Literally 97% of scientists in the field confirm that climate change is real and caused by humans. I don't know how anyone who is sane can deny it.

Feminism just means equal rights for everyone! (paraphrased because cant be bothered)


Pray tell, what person on the right has these opinions? These aren't centrist, they're complete delusions that aren't even worth talking about, yet hear I am. :I

Two quick debunks. While I'm here.

1. Egalitarianism is word for a reason...

2. Aside from the fact that “consensus” is not how science is settled — there was at one point consensus that the earth was flat — the “97 percent” figure came from a small study in 2009 that asked only two questions of a group of scientists, only a handful of whom even responded. Of those, only a small percentage were actually climate scientists.

In the end, the 97 percent figure came from around 70 climate scientists agreeing that the earth had warmed marginally over the past two centuries and that human activity may have played a role in that warming. That’s it. So stop goddamn using it already!



I'll admit I deleted plenty of deserved sarcasm and rudeness. *to various individuals* Your welcome.
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I will speak my piece on the current issue and be done with it from there as nothing is to be gained by dwelling on it.

My opinion is that, by and large, this topic teeters in and out of attacks on the various persons involved and is carried out by all members to varying degrees of severity, some of whom make a consistent point to mock or make light of those other persons or the motions they put forward. Alternatively, others say what they have to say then completely vanish for days, weeks, months at a time without any added explanation. Owing to this we can develop a running record of who participants are and their beliefs, as well as their habits, throughout the topic; if we really wish it, we can even return to earlier posts made by then here to feel their character out.

However, my assessment is not going to go through all of these hoops and perform such tricks just to vindicate or invalidate a number of claims made about who does what. I have neither the time not interest to do this. So do take this strictly as opinion from my perception rather than facts, which I by nature prefer.

Our topic's owner has a habit of prodding its members to evoke and elicit a reaction, this is true. Yet what I bring question to is if this is always in general good spirits, just to drum up argument or discussion, or at times a means of getting a jab on whilst using the cover of a joke. In several cases I myself have wondered if something was aimed at me to draw my ire intentionally, but rather than accuse them of that, because I could not outright prove that was the ongoing intent, I have either ignored it or spoke my mind. This is not the same for everyone in that people will of course take everything in their own way; he might not mean to develop a record of prodding that person, but when he does make that inevitable jab at them, that person has seen nothing short of building attacks on their character until they are hit by a strong sour note.

I make it no secret I do not approve of character attacks, though I absolutely will question a person's character and challenge them on it, so this comes to an unusual place for me. I cannot say one way or the other if my experience is valid as the standard or the exception. Judging from the reaction of several persons here, by their word, the perception - which is indeed everything - is that the host has gone too far. It is difficult to decipher that which is in play and jest from that which is meant to mock. I believe the only fair response to this is to make it a request that the approach is at minimum drawn back...

... and that the escalation transpiring to actual overt attacks on person, not argument, are altogether dropped. It has become now, to my eyes, a conflict of personalities where each is after the other. Who started it is no longer relevant as neither side wants to relent and it is questionable if this was the goal at all. Accounting for this, my opinion is that people be direct when they feel someone is attacking their person, going so far to say something like; "Was that meant for me or meant for what I said?" and "If you have no point to argue, don't bother commenting at all."

Granted such a request is not likely to take place, people will continue to be who they are by and large, but I think it at least possible to say enough is enough. Several members think that the words are aimed squarely at them rather than what they have to say and it has since escalated beyond that accusation to being a reality.

To be fair, @Dynamo Frokane, @Kratesis, as well as anyone else, is that the issue should be dropped and not allowed to fester. No less, to @Dynamo Frokane in particular, I believe, emphasize believe, that you could be understood that way and subsequently challenged on it; it being that your personification here can be viewed as a rogue and troublemaker who uses humor as a weapon and a shield.

So goes this cat's opinion. I haven't anything else to say until we return to actual discussion.
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No please don't drop it people, otherwise where will we get such golden pettiness as:

Maybe you're ugly and he's hot.


And don't forget:

Haha you forgot to say M'lady.


Srsly funny stuff.

Also props @POOHEAD189 I don't pay much attention, but clearly you are doing something right - haters and fans?

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Quotes, I asked for QUOTES, I'm pretty sure twice now i've asked for quotes where I called you racist, if you can find the pages then you can post the quotes.

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You just can't help yourself Dynamo.

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That's what we're wondering. Aside from "Hahaa, you suck" what exactly is your argument for.. you know.. anything? Everyone here talks about the issues, takes a stand, provides evidence for their claims and crafts an argument. You find one little thing about someone as a person and hammer on it for months. Months. Think about that.

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Young person says something that doesn't come off perfectly on the internet. Good golly. That's never happened before! Better get Dynamo Frokane, righter of internet wrongs, defender of women's virtue and slayer of cringe on the case!

How Poohead sees his romantic life is no business of yours Dynamo. You don't even care except that it gives you someone to mock and feel superior too.

(Also, has it occurred to you that Poohead is young and surrounded by other young people who are filled to the brim with hormones and questionable judgement? A touch of good genetics and some exercise and you have a situation in which a young man may be approached by girls who are interested.)

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Maybe you're ugly and he's hot.

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Given the response of the other posters in this thread after you posted I'm going to have to say the evidence isn't looking good Dynamo.

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Ohhhh now you want to have a debate without ad hominems.

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You never asked me Dynamo. You literally never asked. You have absolutely no idea what I believe on the subject. You just jumped straight into personal jabs.

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No it isn't. The intent is never playful. You just hide behind that to excuse your behavior. You jab and poke and mock and belittle and then deny everything or claim it was "just a prank bro." And you expect us to believe that, like we're developmentally delayed tenth graders or something.



1.If I'm not arguing and I post a starterpack meme, then that's not a personal attack, unless of course the items in the starter pack are things you identify with and then you feel embarrassed which in that case its not my problem and you should talk to your insecurity about that.

2. Oh crap you had to go there. You had to go and make surface level assumptions to try and make a point, and now I gotta correct you and make your argument look stupid. Youre ASSUMING that Poohead is this 'hormonal young person' and that what cause him to state that girls chase him. Well here is news for you, he's an adult in his late 20s and I'm actually the exact same age as him. So get outta here with that please.

3. Maybe he's hot and I'm ugly, maybe I'm hot and he's ugly, maybe we are both ugly and that doesn't matter because he and the girls he chases are s a p i o s e x u a l s and that doesnt matter anyway, but dear lord do you look a little silly criticising me for personal attacks and your most biting response you can muster is 'You might be ugly'. Holy crap you aint very good at this luv.

4. Other posters you mean MDK who still is struggling his forgetful ass trying to pinpoint exactly where I called him racist when he cant? Not exactly the 3rd legion is it? Or how about you being forgetful...?

"You never asked me Dynamo. You literally never asked. You have absolutely no idea what I believe on the subject. You just jumped straight into personal jabs."

I never asked you....??


Oh and how did we get this tidbit about Ben Shapiro being alt-right if I never asked you about it???

Many of the highest profile alt-righters are minorities of some sort. Jews feature prominently; Milo and Ben Shapiro are extremely popular and being a minority who endorses Trump in a big way will make you a celebrity within their circles (see Joy Villa).


I'm sorry but youre just not very good at this, I know you want to be that shrewd, laid back conservative who dismisses all her opponents with hard facts and stern maturity but you're assuming too much, and forgetting too much and when it comes to making actual arguments against me you just turn into a hypocrite by calling me ugly.

And for your final paragraph, I dont care what you speculate, It doesn't matter if you think I'm being playful or not, my intent is for me to decide, not you. If Poohead takes issue with my playful memes and jabs, I will absolutely apologise with no hesitation, but for that to happen you might have to stop speaking for him. He's not a hormonal teenager, he's a grown man.

Can you give this up now? I'm happy to talk more Ben Shapiro with you, but if you think youre going to get anywhere trying to attack my meme sharing, you're gonna have a bad time.


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I'll admit I deleted plenty of deserved sarcasm and rudeness. *to various individuals* Your welcome.


Thanks.
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I think the Dynamo has been broken...

Definitely running a bit hot atm...



This gonna be good, bets anyone?
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I think the Dynamo has been broken...

Definitely running a bit hot atm...



This gonna be good, bets anyone?


Are you kidding me? I'm firing on all cylinders, I feel good.

I'm 'broken' when I run out of arguments or back down on my positions, which aint happening anytime soon.
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Well, good to see what you thought I meant by broken... I meant more brain, rather than spirit.

I was actually referring to the quick spree of 3 posts, followed by the equally quick scramble to edit. Also, the apparent pride you're feeling at a plethora of rather weak counters to the criticism you already received.

Really though, carry on.
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Quotes, I asked for QUOTES, I'm pretty sure twice now i've asked for quotes where I called you racist, if you can find the pages then you can post the quotes.


Why? You know exactly what I'm talking about, and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Would you like me to explain why I found that disrespectful, and/or are you saying all that was "on the argument?"
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Well, good to see what you thought I meant by broken... I meant more brain, rather than spirit.

I was actually referring to the quick spree of 3 posts, followed by the equally quick scramble to edit. Also, the apparent pride you're feeling at a plethora of rather weak counters to the criticism you already received.

Really though, carry on.

I'm on my phone with a small screen, I always do a lot of posts with a lot of edits. You must be new here. Feel free to talk about some politics.

Because as much fun as Im having, this isnt actually a roman coliseum, if youre not discussing anything politcally relevant, Id appreciate if you kept your comments about me to yourself.

EDIT: I half take that back, you are absolutely allowed to make comments about me, my memes and my argument style. I'm saying that you cant ONLY come in here and shit on me without doing anything else. This is a mildly political hangout thread so in addition to everything you are doing, as the thread host, I ask you to be mildly political like everyone else here is.

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Why? You know exactly what I'm talking about, and I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Would you like me to explain why I found that disrespectful, and/or are you saying all that was "on the argument?"


No I really dont, you said I called you a racist and I cant find the quotes on that page that support the claim. So once again, your memory has failed you. Now unless you can find an example, you can drop this ridiculous line of accusations. I didnt call you a racist and you know it.
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Figures.
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You really do get a kick out of trying to aggravate people don't you? Ah well, can't fault you for a trait we both share... You could try some level of finesse though.

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I'm on my phone with a small screen, I always do a lot of posts with a lot of edits. You must be new here. Feel free to talk about some politics.

Because as much fun as Im having, this isnt actually a roman coliseum, if youre not discussing anything politcally relevant, Id appreciate if you kept your comments about me to yourself.

EDIT: I half take that back, you are absolutely allowed to make comments about me, my memes and my argument style. I'm saying that you cant ONLY come in here and shit on me without doing anything else. This is a mildly political hangout thread so in addition to everything you are doing, as the thread host, I ask you to be mildly political like everyone else here is.


Sounding a bit defensive there, and a bit paranoid, I made one comment directed at you, in light jest, there was no complaint when I made the claim that you and Kratesis were both being equally petty.

Ahh so while you can occasionally engage in some good old-fashioned fun at others expense, I can't? or at least, not at your expense?

So in other words, If I explain how you are making yourself look like a fool, I am free to leave?

Please though, keep talking about how your memes get on everyone's nerves (Did I once mention memes?). I noticed you pointed the finger at the starterpack memes though, when Kratesis mentioned 'snarky memes'(Sorry if my meme knowledge is lacking, but couldn't the condescending wonka also be considered snarky, or any other number of passive-aggressive meme's you post?) I wonder why you immediately focused upon that specific meme, something like a freudian slip, if I had to hazard a guess.

I think you may be becoming a tad overstimulated - firing on all cylinders? In neurological terms, that's a step away from a panic attack. No I don't think you are going to have a panic attack. I'm guessing you feel assaulted on all sides by inferior minds, and that, combined with the rush of endorphins you experience when you prove someone 'wrong' over the internet is inhibiting your ability to recognise when you are acting the fool. Much the same way someone can think they are doing wonderfully in a fight, despite being destroyed. Feel free to argue but "You're not very good at this, You must be new here, his forgetful ass, etc etc, doesn't do much to support the idea of you considering this to be a conversation among equals, or of you being invested in a calm and rational discussion.

While we are on the subject of brain juices, though you and Poohead both likely have slightly lower hormone levels than what you did in the prime of puberty, actual hormonal decrease in males generally doesn't begin until approximately the age of 30 at a rate of about 1% a year. Poohead, and yourself, are both still very much hormonal young people (You really think a couple years of uwntsumfukbby is enough for the human population to survive before healthcare?)

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Lets see how brief that turns out to be.


'Mildly Political' Damn, it's starting to look like you use the title of this thread as a shield to protect yourself from criticism while leaning heavily on the mildly whenever you wish to spew your own venom at someone.

P.S. Can I go back to popcorn lurking and snide comments? Because it's much more fun to make notes to myself about a person's mental state than to have to try and make someone come to grips with it themselves, at least over the internet. I did try and tell you to cool off in my own asshat way, it's not my fault that in your defensive state you immediately jumped to a broken spirit (Which believe me, I doubt there is anything in the world that can break your spirit, your own egotistical posts have explained as much) instead of taking the time to consider what I may have meant. Endorphins do that, they also make you feel good. Too much of a good thing?

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@Sanctus Spooki

Debating an armchair psychologist is like drinking fluoride. its going to make me dumber and I'll only look crazy trying to make sense of it to anyone else.

I'm going to leave that one alone, carry on.
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Hey, if we're just talking armchair psychology, you should have no problem with countering my laughable and indefensible claims.

Of course, it's much easier to simply dismiss and deride those claims, rather than potentially engage in a conversation you are ill-prepared for.

So I will carry on with the popcorn-lurking and snide comments, and leave you to your attention seeking. Carry on, and keep having fun. :)
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