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here’s another argument: we have disqualified people (and maybe banned) for plagiarism. we evidently take writing, as an art, serious enough to dismiss cheaters. why do we not do the same for art?

if we take ourselves seriously as a writing/art platform then just remove the image. the person doesn’t need to be asked - maybe just informed afterwards.
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My opinion if I find it on deviantart, Google (image) search, pinterest, whatever it's 100% public domain. The artist has no right to say where it can or can't be viewed because they made it 100% public.

IMO that's no different than if I decided to whip out my junk in the middle of a public park and got angry that people looked at it.


bitch the starbucks logo is fucking everywhere in the public domain. i wanna see how quick you’d catch a lawsuit if you tried using that logo for your own coffee shop !!!BECAUSE YOURE JUST GIVING STARBUCKS FREE EXPOSURE!!!

jfc
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Jesus this is like a perfect amalgamation...

...Ignoring like-a thousand other things I could say. (Because frankly I should be in bed, well I mean asleep, already.)

@Odin Just edit one post, then put more in that. Instead of posting three to almost four times in a row in under half an hour...it wouldn't be spam then...

@Raddum I don't think anyone benefits from being hostile about it either...

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If you got the impression from anything I posted that I care, your bad.

If someone were to come to me and claim they own the copyright to the image. I will gladly remove the image if they can provide a digital copy of the certificate of registration from the Copyright Office. Otherwise they can cry a river and build a bridge.


Damn lol a bitch came at me sideways. You ain't gotta be so aggressive, okay.
It's okay though; you're wrong anyway in that copyright doesn't need to be registered. It's automatic.
But alright fam, you do you, boo-boo.

@Odin Isskay, s/he a dumbass anyway, so.
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Hidden 6 yrs ago Post by BrokenPromise
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When you create a work, you do technically have "copyright" over the image. But you do need to pay to have it realized by the Copyright Office so that you can actually prosecute. Which is why I say I doubt very many people have paid the 35-40$ per photo to have their work truly protected. But that's not really something the forum needs to be looking down the barrel of what few times it does happen. It's much easier to just remove said art.

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The topic does have an interesting balance in terms of copyright protection in terms of intellectual property; in most cases it must be patented/trademarked depending on the exact nature of it.

End of the day the reuse of images is so rife in our society that it's pointless to argue that writers should never use images made by someone else if they don't explicitly say not to. Look at the comparison for memes, how many of us share and repost memes, yet never reference their original creator?

The underlying issue I see is there is often a misunderstanding from the artists perspective of when these images are used, they're somehow being claimed by the person using them rather them then going oh look, here's an image that perfectly suits the world/character I'm trying to create. That is based off my experience interacting with artists who have joined to complain about the misuse. They can't be surprised at the image being reused as it is in the public domain and often has no watermark or private use statement. I've used other images from google searches like this in the past because they capture that setting/flavour of the idea I may feel I'm not properly portraying in words.

However end of the day, this isn't a in court legal argument, it's more a commonality of respect among artists; we don't claim credit for other people's work and if the original artist has an issue with it, then we remove it.

On the topic of people being reprimanded over the use of plagiarism in contests, that is because there was prewarnings on the contest entries that it had to solely be your own work for the single purpose of the contest. Additionally this was done for the purposes of gain by cheating the system.
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To those who gave actual feedback, trying to address the subject at hand, big thanks!

Right now it's looking like we'll add something into site rules about respecting artists removal requests, but that we expect artists to respect the community and come to site staff with issues instead of going directly to a member.
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When you create a work, you do technically have "copyright" over the image. But you do need to pay to have it realized by the Copyright Office so that you can actually prosecute. Which is why I say I doubt very many people have paid the 35-40$ per photo to have their work truly protected. But that's not really something the forum needs to be looking down the barrel of what few times it does happen. It's much easier to just remove said art.


I don't think it was ever a legal argument as much as it was a common sense/respect argument. Just because you can take something doesn't mean you should.

The real issue is that moderators have conflicting tasks - they need to safeguard RPG's reputation and status while also maintaining the common decency of members. The fact that an artist requesting/demanding the takedown of an image is even considered to be possibly harassment is quite stupid to me, but whatever.

If we have any measure of seriousness about being 'writers' then we should show equal measure of respect for people in the same branch (who, I dare say, do much harder work). Telling them to fuck off is unacceptable in this situation no matter how rude they are about it all.
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@Odin I was more writing an informative post for some of the users who were confused about how copyright claims work. I've said my peace on artists already: That I don't understand their viewpoint, but feel we should honor a take down request. It creates the least amount of drama, and pictures probably aren't critical to the function of an RP.

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@Odin I was more writing an informative post for some of the users who were confused about how copyright claims work. I've said my peace on artists already: That I don't understand their viewpoint, but feel we should honor a take down request. It creates the least amount of drama, and pictures probably aren't critical to the function of an RP.


It's really the path of least resistance. Or as I put it in private staff channels, "Removing a post from three years ago to comply with this artist's request costs us nothing."

Members seem to have the same general attitudes about the issue that staff does, which is refreshing.

Annnnnd I'm gonna call that a thread. Thanks folks!
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