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@Ellri So you are saying people can't come up with the exact same idea? Cause that has never happened before in the history of humanity.

As for hiding, the only person to ever use that type didn't design it to hide he was a Jedi he designed it that way because at the time he sucked at deflecting blaster fire.
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I find the design extremely silly, but that's not to say the design isn't plausible if given proper reason to develop in this context. A specific point of a specific era is not required to formulate an idea.
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we're saying that the design was developed in the early years of the Galactic Empire, designed for the express purpose of allowing Jedi to conceal their lightsabers from notice by imperial forces. It was designed by a Jedi padawan who had no traditional training, leaving him to invent his own solutions.

While it is technically possible for someone to have thought of a similar idea in the past, the design in Rebels was an inferior blaster attached to a lightsaber, in an era where weapons in general had far more advanced designs than in this era.
Among lightsaber designs, 99.99% of users used either standard hilt, curved hilt or a saberstaff. Variant hilts that were not one of those three were extremely rare occurrences. Even Jedi (or Sith) who used both lightsabers and ranged weapons of some form were exceedingly rare. Jedi (or Sith) using non-standard lightsaber with a built-in blaster of some sort would be even rarer than that.
Such weapon would typically have very few shots or low effective output, increased weight of the lightsaber significantly and reduce its versatility significantly.

Thus the odds of anyone having such a specific variant of their primary weapon in this era are astronomical. Anyone applying with such would have extremely good reasoning for it to be approved.
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And my interest is killed
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So, the Star Wars essential atlas estimates 100 quadrillion sentient beings in known space, so even with a 0.01% chance of having done something that would mean there are likely approximately 10,000,000,000,000 people who have done it, right? Ultimately, your world your rules and all- but it does seem like pooping on an idea as generic and bland (no offense) as "I want to mod a lightsaber to also function as a bad blaster", when it isn't even unheard of as far as canon is concerned, seems silly. <_<
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So, the Star Wars essential atlas estimates 100 quadrillion sentient beings in known space, so even with a 0.01% chance of having done something that would mean there are likely approximately 10,000,000,000,000 people who have done it, right? Ultimately, your world your rules and all- but it does seem like pooping on an idea as generic and bland (no offense) as "I want to mod a lightsaber to also function as a bad blaster", when it isn't even unheard of as far as canon is concerned, seems silly. <_<


Just as silly as retracting interest over something so small.
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The idea wasn't even fully shot down. It was brought up that no source in canon establishes it as being common or logical until far in the future, and that someone should have good logic for breaking the norm in that way. If one quits as compared to finding the viable reason in such a potentially diverse universe (that still follows standards of what is normal, and thus expects justification for breaking from those perceptions of normal), well, that's their own problem.
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So, the Star Wars essential atlas estimates 100 quadrillion sentient beings in known space, so even with a 0.01% chance of having done something that would mean there are likely approximately 10,000,000,000,000 people who have done it, right? Ultimately, your world your rules and all- but it does seem like pooping on an idea as generic and bland (no offense) as "I want to mod a lightsaber to also function as a bad blaster", when it isn't even unheard of as far as canon is concerned, seems silly. <_<


I think your math is wrong.

Lightsabers are generally reserved for force sensitive people trained with and/or could build them, so it should be counted as the number of force sensitives, rather than 0.01% of 100 quadrillion.
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I feel I should point out that while Jedi and Sith were the primary wielders of lightsabers, there are plenty of examples where non-Jedi and non-Sith used them. And besides, who's to say someone, be they Jedi or Sith, wasn't also really good with a blaster and therefore opted instead to combine the two to take advantage of the skill?
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I feel I should point out that while Jedi and Sith were the primary wielders of lightsabers, there are plenty of examples where non-Jedi and non-Sith used them. And besides, who's to say someone, be they Jedi or Sith, wasn't also really good with a blaster and therefore opted instead to combine the two to take advantage of the skill?


He didn't say Jedi and Sith, he said all Force Sensitives which would include the others.

Although lightsabers are quite rare among non-Jedi/Sith.
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A lightsaber is useless in the hands of a non-force sensitive. Yes, they can use them (see Han using Luke's to cut open a tauntaun), but you pretty much need the force so you don't hack yourself in half during battle. Like Wraith said, there's no way 10,000,000,000,000 people (with most likely without direct access to the force) are walking around with lightsabers, even more so with modified lightsabers with a blaster function.
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A lightsaber is useless in the hands of a non-force sensitive. Yes, they can use them (see Han using Luke's to cut open a tauntaun), but you pretty much need the force so you don't hack yourself in half during battle. Like Wraith said, there's no way 10,000,000,000,000 people (with most likely without direct access to the force) are walking around with lightsabers, even more so with modified lightsabers with a blaster function.

Unless you happen to be a non-force sensitive person that feels like going 1v6 against jedi while dual/triple wielding lightsabers (with your feet?) and casually kill half before air support shows up to drive you off. :p

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Unless you happen to be a non-force sensitive person that feels like going 1v6 against jedi while dual/triple wielding lightsabers (with your feet?) and casually kill half before air support shows up to drive you off. :p


Except Grevious was trained by Dooku himself and had a ton of cybernetic augmentation, which didn't help him that much when he had his hands chopped off by Obi-Wan, who ripped his armor apart and finished him off with a blaster.
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Except Grevious was trained by Dooku himself and had a ton of cybernetic augmentation, which didn't help him that much when he had his hands chopped off by Obi-Wan, who ripped his armor apart and finished him off with a blaster.


Glad you brought up Obi-wan- since those two fighting is a great example of both a non force-sensitive person fighting effectively with up to four lightsabers simultaneously as well an example of a Jedi using a blaster to win a fight. XD
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A lightsaber is useless in the hands of a non-force sensitive. Yes, they can use them (see Han using Luke's to cut open a tauntaun), but you pretty much need the force so you don't hack yourself in half during battle. Like Wraith said, there's no way 10,000,000,000,000 people (with most likely without direct access to the force) are walking around with lightsabers, even more so with modified lightsabers with a blaster function.


I didn't say non-force sensitive because I didn't mean non-force sensitive. I mean non-Jedi/Sith. There are other Force wielding sects in the galaxy, even in the era of the Old Republic. Hell, probably especially.
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Glad you brought up Obi-wan- since those two fighting is a great example of both a non force-sensitive person fighting effectively with up to four lightsabers simultaneously as well an example of a Jedi using a blaster to win a fight. XD


A non-force sensative person who was trained by one of the most skilled swordsman of the time and had their body cyberneticly augmented to fight with the reflexes of a Jedi as well as learn and predict their movements to compensate for the lack of precondition provided by the force and essential in optimizing the use of a lightsaber.

If you want a great example of a non-Force sensitive using a lightsaber, look at Finn in Episode 7.
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A non-force sensative person who was trained by one of the most skilled swordsman of the time and had their body cyberneticly augmented to fight with the reflexes of a Jedi as well as learn and predict their movements to compensate for the lack of precondition provided by the force and essential in optimizing the use of a lightsaber.

If you want a great example of a non-Force sensitive using a lightsaber, look at Finn in Episode 7.


[EDIT] He said it better than I could have.
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Glad you brought up Obi-wan- since those two fighting is a great example of both a non force-sensitive person fighting effectively with up to four lightsabers simultaneously as well an example of a Jedi using a blaster to win a fight. XD


Yes, Jedi can use blasters for battle if they want. Still, it seems you've ignored the other two pieces:

Willingly submitting to a procedure that rendered him more mechanical than organic, he became a living weapon, granting him lightning-quick reflexes and devastating strength.


Grievous was a skilled lightsaber duelist, having trained in the art of the lightsaber under the fallen Jedi Master-turned-Sith Lord Count Dooku.


Both taken from Grievous' canon page.

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I didn't say non-force sensitive because I didn't mean non-force sensitive. I mean non-Jedi/Sith. There are other Force wielding sects in the galaxy, even in the era of the Old Republic. Hell, probably especially.


There's still no way 10,000,000,000,000 people walking around with modified lightsabers equipped with blasters, especially with all the factors to be considered.
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Of course, you are completely missing the forest, being far too busy headbutting the trees. The main thing here is that a person took two very common pieces of technology from the time period (lightsabers and blasters) and said they wanted a single tool to be able to function as both, while being a little shittier than either individually. Basically, they want a spork. This is in a time period where the Republic is building gravity cannons that can grab asteroids and hurl them into planets and people take issue with a fucking spork. Is it goofy? Sure. Is it game-breaking? Not even a little. Is it innocuous and 100% reasonable to do? Yep.

Aaaaat any rate...

The main problem I see with this bit, @Lord Wraith: "Just as silly as retracting interest over something so small." Is that I don't really see that as being the scenario. Basically, if it really were just: "I want to use a spork and I refuse to play in any game that won't let my character use a spork", then that would be silly and unreasonable. I don't really see that as being the case here.

I see it more like someone going:
"I wanna use a spork"

Then getting a response of:
"such eating utensils are not relevant or even seen as concepts"

Followed up with s'more nonsense like:
"the odds of anyone having such a specific variant of their primary eating utensil in this era are astronomical. Anyone applying with such would have extremely good reasoning for it to be approved."

In that scenario, I kinda feel like the person would be perfectly reasonable to think something along the lines of: "eeeeeh, maybe I'm not interested in playing in an RP you're running if you're this uptight about something as insignificant as a spork." Ultimately, while it is true that not being able to eat with a spork is a small thing to lose interest in an RP over, seeing how poorly a mod handles small and insignificant things can be a pretty strong indicator of how they'll handle the rest of their RP and thus a very reasonable thing to lost interest over.
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