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I'm trying out several different designs for busses and other forms of transportation that will simplify travel and also de-clog traffic.
Other than that I've been trying to come up with a type of bone-Mic that would 'cure' the deaf.


Interesting. Have you looked into existing attempts to implement that technology?
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Interesting. Have you looked into existing attempts to implement that technology?


Yes, but I'm designing my product with that in mind, taking hints from them, and then incorporating into my design. Not to say that I'm stealing the idea, just taking inspiration from it. Actually my 'best' idea for a new bus I got from listening to a lecture on cancer.
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Yes, but I'm designing my product with that in mind, taking hints from them, and then incorporating into my design. Not to say that I'm stealing the idea, just taking inspiration from it. Actually my 'best' idea for a new bus I got from listening to a lecture on cancer.


Really? How so?
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Well it was talking about how malignant cells are some of the primary causes of cancer and As he was describing it, I realized that it was similar to traffic in norfolk, then I put more research into it and found that it's more like a blood clot than cancer, but the inspiration was still there. So then I figured what if we transported people like blood transports nutrients.
Imagine you call a cab, after it shows up to pick you up you get in and after getting into a highway or freeway you hook up to another cab and are driving while attached to each other. When it is time for you cabs to go separate ways, they detach and go to their pacified locations. Or imagine getting on a bus that drives OVER traffic.
I also believe in automating cars, but that's way in the future...
Or is it. (dun,DUN,DUN)
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Well it was talking about how malignant cells are some of the primary causes of cancer and As he was describing it, I realized that it was similar to traffic in norfolk, then I put more research into it and found that it's more like a blood clot than cancer, but the inspiration was still there. So then I figured what if we transported people like blood transports nutrients.
Imagine you call a cab, after it shows up to pick you up you get in and after getting into a highway or freeway you hook up to another cab and are driving while attached to each other. When it is time for you cabs to go separate ways, they detach and go to their pacified locations. Or imagine getting on a bus that drives OVER traffic.
I also believe in automating cars, but that's way in the future...
Or is it. (dun,DUN,DUN)


Self-driving cars has to become a thing. There'll be no traffic when all vehicles drive themselves.
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less traffic
And they are already a thing, but i mean a city wide network of self driving cars.
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less traffic
And they are already a thing, but i mean a city wide network of self driving cars.


I'm talking about the world being 100% self-driving. I think it'll eliminate traffic because there will be no wrecks, everyone can move at the same speed and stop at the same time, and servers can precalculate routes to take. No variability.
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I'm talking about the world being 100% self-driving. I think it'll eliminate traffic because there will be no wrecks, everyone can move at the same speed and stop at the same time, and servers can precalculate routes to take. No variability.


There'll still be wrecks, and that would require a super AI and would still be really prone to hackers. There are already people who can shut down cars while they're on the freeway, auto cars would just be worse.
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There'll still be wrecks, and that would require a super AI and would still be really prone to hackers. There are already people who can shut down cars while they're on the freeway, auto cars would just be worse.


There won't be if the system is actually done in a way that allows them to communicate. Unfortunately, that allows for centralization, which I hate. Super AI, not all that much, but an advanced AI yes. All of which is doable within less than ten years, especially considering current driving algorithms. Speaking as a hacker, that's avoidable if they're coded wth security in mind. Security is difficult but not impossible. Yes, remote assassinations from three letter agencies and other entities concerns me—however, I dislike traffic more.
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There won't be if the system is actually done in a way that allows them to communicate. Unfortunately, that allows for centralization, which I hate. Super AI, not all that much, but an advanced AI yes. All of which is doable within less than ten years, especially considering current driving algorithms. Speaking as a hacker, that's avoidable if they're coded wth security in mind. Security is difficult but not impossible. Yes, remote assassinations from three letter agencies and other entities concerns me—however, I dislike traffic more.


Lol.
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Lol.


I don't deny that there are issues to be overcome, but I do think that wrecks and traffic can be eliminate when done correctly. And for the most part, hackers don't want to kill people. Ruin the networks of corporations, sure, but there are just about none who would kill just some guy who happened to be unlucky. Even the black hats aren't that evil.
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I don't deny that there are issues to be overcome, but I do think that wrecks and traffic can be eliminate when done correctly. And for the most part, hackers don't want to kill people. Ruin the networks of corporations, sure, but there are just about none who would kill just some guy who happened to be unlucky. Even the black hats aren't that evil.


Foreign agents, mass shooters with coding knowledge, terrorists, assassins... So on and so forth.
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Foreign agents, mass shooters with coding knowledge, terrorists, assassins... So on and so forth.


Already expressed concern for this one.
They don't exist. And even if they did, it takes a world of extra knowledge to hack into them—coding is as far from hacking as boating is to swimming. And I already mentioned that rogue hackers would have a tough time with the systems if they even wanted to get in.
Terrorists are inbred inbeciles, so I think we're okay. Why hack a car when you can shoot a gun?
Assassins have other ways of killing people unless they work for a government entity, which was already mentioned. And it doesn't help that the govt. can already remotely shut down vehicles—I doubt that it'll be any more of an issue than it currently is, especially given how conspicuous it would be.
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Already expressed concern for this one.
They don't exist. And even if they did, it takes a world of extra knowledge to hack into them—coding is as far from hacking as boating is to swimming. And I already mentioned that rogue hackers would have a tough time with the systems if they even wanted to get in.
Terrorists are inbred inbeciles, so I think we're okay. Why hack a car when you can shoot a gun?
Assassins have other ways of killing people unless they work for a government entity, which was already mentioned. And it doesn't help that the govt. can already remotely shut down vehicles—I doubt that it'll be any more of an issue than it currently is, especially given how conspicuous it would be.


Dude you're taking cyber security classes. You should be fully aware that security is always just barely one step ahead of hackers at the best of times. People have remotely hacked fucking drones, and you think that they won't be able to hack a car? Something that can't really have updates very often? Not to even mention that every car company would have their own security system, and wouldn't be using a standard program, meaning traffic wouldn't even really be fixed because there wouldn't be a unified control system. AND equipping cars with with as much sensory equipment as would be necessary would cost unimaginable amounts of money.
Why hack a car when you can shoot a gun? Because a car is incredibly more dangerous, and if you can hack one car you can hack 100. Hell, if you gave me a single car drone I could kill and maim more people than you could with a completely silent sniper rifle and perfect cover for 48 hours.
How conspicuous it would be? Have you never heard of Princess Dianna? Hacking a car to kill someone is the easiest to explain away thing in the world. "Oh there was X car trouble that the driver wasn't aware of." "Oh there was a freak accident on an icy road." Etc.
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Dude you're taking cyber security classes. You should be fully aware that security is always just barely one step ahead of hackers at the best of times. People have remotely hacked fucking drones, and you think that they won't be able to hack a car? Something that can't really have updates very often? Not to even mention that every car company would have their own security system, and wouldn't be using a standard program, meaning traffic wouldn't even really be fixed because there wouldn't be a unified control system. AND equipping cars with with as much sensory equipment as would be necessary would cost unimaginable amounts of money.
Why hack a car when you can shoot a gun? Because a car is incredibly more dangerous, and if you can hack one car you can hack 100. Hell, if you gave me a single car drone I could kill and maim more people than you could with a completely silent sniper rifle and perfect cover for 48 hours.
How conspicuous it would be? Have you never heard of Princess Dianna? Hacking a car to kill someone is the easiest to explain away thing in the world. "Oh there was X car trouble that the driver wasn't aware of." "Oh there was a freak accident on an icy road." Etc.


I feel that you pointed out something and then kind of ignored it. I am taking cyber security classes, and I have a full time job doing cyber security consulting. I know the ins and outs of hacking. I'm not saying that the cars couldn't be hacked (though I will give my professional opinion that it is possible and even feasible to create an unhackable system), but I am saying that the amount of actual, malicious "car hackers" out there in the event of total automatic would be countable. As in, less than a thousand, and likely less than a hundred. Of those, very few could cause more than isolated damage and of those, probably ten or less could cause widespread damage.
This is part of the miscommunication between us; my scenario is in a unified control system—every company draws from the same database. Otherwise, yeah, it's infeasible to have zero traffic. Every car has to have a location.
Sensory equipment is cheaper than you might imagine. Machine learning is getting relatively good in that respect.
"if you can hack one car you can hack 100"
This isn't necessarily the case. You're looking at a widespread zero day exploit, which is used quickly enough by a malicious entity to cause widespread damage before patches are applied. The only organizations that can really have that kind of resources are governments. I guarantee that ISIS isn't going to have any car hacking campaigns coming up.
Sure, fair point that a car kills more, but you have to consider the magnitude of the task of hacking a car to hurt people. That's level 3 of the hacker targets: People, services, then technology. The money and intellectual resources it would take to find those exploits on a well coded system is phenomenal. Why spend 30 million dollars on a car hacking campaign that'll kill 2000 when you can spend 30 thousand dollars on ten non-self-driving junker cars to do the same? Why not hack a plane instead with that money?
It's only inconspicuous if the issues are common. If a person of known interest dies in a somewhat isolated case, it'll be suspicious regardless.
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