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@The Harbinger of Ferocity

The dartboard analogy is good Cat-Man, and identifying race from visual cues is one of the most incorrect methods of determination, I found these two maps to illustrate this point.



Notice in this 'Race Map' from the 1800s that uses the Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid classification (which was basically all based on phenotypic appearance) The have sub saharan Africans and aboriginal Australians as being the same race (Negroid).



And in this 1994 genetic variation map, which has yellow on one end of the spectrum, blue and purple in the middle and red on the very end. You can see that Africans and aboriginals are actually the most genetically different from each other despite being phenotypically similar. And remember this extreme difference scale actually only amounts to between 0.001 and 0.0001 of actual human genes being different.
The most that can be said about races is that they are statistically biased toward certain positive and negative qualities by their genetic makeup. However, these are generally not significant enough to consider them anything other than minor variations; they are not even distinct enough to be categorized as separate subspecies, which would be one of the largest breaks for that argument. They are, as one imagines, regional variations that have adaptive qualities to favor that environment they found themselves in. In the more modern era, these are not generally that important - technology takes the place of many of these biological advantages, but not always - yet there are outliers that would be considered remarkably beneficial. This also works in reverse in the sense that disadvantages are mostly mitigated.

It also is worthy to keep in mind that speaking only from a pure numbers perspective, the vast majority of people will have roughly the same number of advantages and disadvantages regardless of race; people are more likely to be average than anything else. Certainly some traits will be more useful now than they were before, that is just the reality of things, such as having a bias (but not exclusivity) toward a higher than average intelligence and upper threshold of it, but it regularly will not be significant enough to matter. There are too many other factors when dealing with humans that are more likely to change that outcome. It is easier to say, measure the success of average mountain lions in their predation than measuring the success of average people doing so, even with access to primitive tools to establish a baseline from.

Even if we took an example to an extreme, it is unlikely to have every day proof in action. Over an aggregate long term this is true, but the human dynamic is outpacing evolutionary design. You are more likely to see your exceptional or above average of any race do better than those par for the course who have just a less pronounced advantage. This is more to the advance of technology, culture, society, et cetera.
In short, yes, race does technically exist as well as it does influence positive and negative, speaking only to natural potential, but what it accounts for in modern factoring is not really all that large. The individual themselves have significantly more power than that.


Well put Cat-Man, though a slight comment on the fact that while extremely broad phenotypical attributes exist, these don't match up well with what we consider race in today's world (going by the very American concept of 5 races). So while there absolutely is diversity, these don't really boil down to white, black, Asian, Eskimo etc.

The reason that human races aren't useful is that they're actually only looking at a couple of phenotypic markers and (a) these phenotypes don't map well to underlying genetics and (b) don't usefully model the underlying populations. The big thing that racial typing is based on is skin colour, but skin colour is controlled by only a small number of alleles. On the basis of skin colour you'd think the big division in human diversity is (and I simplify) between white Europeans and black Africans. However, there is vastly more genetic diversity within Africa than there is anywhere else. Two randomly chosen Africans will be, on average, more diverse from each other than two randomly chosen Europeans. What's more Europeans are no more genetically distinct overall from a randomly chosen African than two randomly chosen Africans are from each other.

This makes perfectly decent sense if you consider the deep roots of diversity within Africa (where humans originally evolved) to the more recent separation of Europeans from an African sub-population.


So the issue is more with the concept of race itself and how we as a society attempted to group people when our understanding of genetics was still very primitive.

EDIT: It's also worth noting that while humans are indeed animals, the way humans have evolved is fairly unique when compared to other species our human specific discoveries of social societies and medicine largely offset 'natural selection' from their introduction into human life. Meaning that it was no longer just the most physically superior who were breeding.

There is also the concept of genetic drift which is very high in humans for the same reason, we retain mutations a lot easier because we have a greater ability than any other species to keep ourselves alive.

So yes the arbitrary 1900s grouping of races is defunct at this point, its a very very simplified phenotype grouping and doesn't hold up well.
I find the idea of believing in races to be a counterproductive waste of time.

Ah okay, well it was only because

If you believe in races, you're a racist.

Sort of read a little sarcastic.

But fair enough, genetically I don't believe in races either, I recognize them as a social concept, but in reality they hold about as much weight as the concept as historic periods, arbitrary grouping to make something complex appear simple.

<Snipped quote by Dynamo Frokane>
racism: racial prejudice or discrimination

discrimination: the quality or power of finely distinguishing

It's also not very sciencey, because Goku is somehow black, and Papa Smurf is somehow white. Even the color blind can tell you that's wrong.


My irony radar has always been notoriously weak, I'm not sure what position you are taking here.

And I'm pretty sure goku is an alien, so he's no more 'asian' than superman is 'white' if we want to get nitpicky.
>retarded bait

>not quite understanding


pick one

If you believe in races, you're a racist.


Nah just not very sciencey.

To clarify, because I feel like I have to -- I don't buy any of that bullshit about racial intelligence traits or whatever.


But the concept most certainly is scientific, there most certainly are differences between different racial groups and to deny so is to deny evolution really. There are most certainly differences in IQ for one thing.


Don't mean to disturb the bromance but....Wew Lad

@ChaoticFox@Stern Algorithm@Skepic@Bluetommy

Well I mean no need to reboot we have a perfectly good story right here that I still had a ton of cool plot lines for.

Maybe Fox or Skep can pick up where we left off?
When people here use the term Alt-Right we mean people like Richard Spencer and your Milos and your Andrew Anglin's and Marcus Halberstram and Jared Taylor and Vox Day. People that have identified as Alt-Right members, people who have called and/or consider themselves actual honest-to-god white supremacists.


Milo's amusing sometimes.


Yeah Milo is the odd one out of those names, he's an example of someone who flirts with the buzz of the alt-right mostly pre-election but isn't actually a white nationalist, he's Alt-Lite at best, he rejects the label and he is hated by the self identifying alt-right. All those other people are on the money, Richard, Vox, Jared are all self identifying white nationalists, who not only accept the term but promote it.

tbh seeing Milo as anything other than a shitposting flamboyant homosexual who will do anything for a second of fame is just stupid.


I mean yeah, this is about it, he latches on to movements and does everything in his power to make the movement about him. He did the same thing with Gamergate back in 2014, only 2 years after making fun of gamers and saying they needed a smack for playing xbox instead of chasing girls.

But the other names that Fab listed are absolutely all Alt-Right, there is no irony or memery there whatsoever. And for those saying "oh well they are just a fringe couple of idiots who nobody listens to" is sticking your head in the sand. These folks are dominating youtube politics, look at the dislike bar for ANY video criticizing the alt right in any way shape or form. Look at the top rated comments for any debate with any alt right figures. If you think a group cant be quickly formed on the internet, start marching IRL and be taken very seriously then you probably had your head in the sand during black lives matter too.
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