SleepingSilence

Music Appreciation Thread

@Goliah (Well I figured someone would say it was a little too long for it's own good or something, there's certainly other flaws about the song itself.)

But it's certainly fair enough to be annoyed at lyrical content and it sounding hollow to you. (He is sort of someone in his 30's portraying things to be about his 20's.) Though the idea of specifically white people merely talking about overcoming odds, not being a possible/realistic outcome for you, is a particular view I certainly don't agree with. (But this is a music thread. So I'll leave it at that.)

Though I don't like people protesting in songs either, usually for the reason of if it sounding more bitter and preachy. Some bands can be so good at writing catchy tunes it doesn't matter, like Rise Against's older material. But "I'm oppressed, feel my pain." song's are often annoying when they're purposefully selective or pandering to a particular group. Like you aren't trying to make catchy/good music for anyone to enjoy, you're doing something to be someone's moral better.

Well, I'd say if any song was pandering, that one ticked off a lot of boxes in quick succession. (you can tell it's an older song or skinny wouldn't be apart of that list, at the very least.) Even mentioned the man closing their frat house and wanting to start a war, certainly a modern college song. But lyrically I've certainly heard worse. Instrumental was decent and it had a decent melody, though was a little too short to get into it all the same. 5.5/10

(Incidentally, also a song from 2008. Also I find the idea of a song not being good, solely because they didn't experience such things make it a little harder for concept albums, my favorite thing ever, to work as well as they do.)

The Savage And Subservient (SleepingSilence x KatherinWinter)

@KatherinWinter I understand, I think you've granted me enough time to get my own stuff together. So I don't mind waiting for you to post when you're ready. Hope you feel better soon.

Monthly Challenges

2. Make a roleplay and have it not die at birth.

@Grim

It said make goals, not wishful fantasies.

What Are You Listening To?

Music Appreciation Thread

@Didgeridont I actually don't entirely disagree with a lot of that. The artist can do much better, I'd show off more of his better work if you were curious/or we're particularly interested in rap. I'd be curious to know if you any particular trap rap that you'd find particularly well made/lyrically compelling? It almost seems purposefully created to be dumbed down entertainment.

@Heat Harsh vocals, so few people like metal on this site. I guess I'll do my civic duty. I've only really listened to Dissociation as a whole and it was just hard to really parse all in one go. I wasn't really sure what I'd rate it, or whether I liked the album or not. I even listened to this song twice, 2nd time looking at the lyrics. And the lyrics certainly don't help with understanding exactly what anything is about. The guitar riff was enough to keep me engaged with it, I didn't dislike any part of the song. It's still a band that though I recognize their talent, it's hard to really sink my teeth into their music. Was enjoyable though. 7/10

I'm not sure if I liked this album as much as his previous two, but I can't deny that it's still not enjoyable. Sorry, you'll need to give this one some of your time. Hopefully you enjoy the ride. (you can turn it off after the static around 6:20. Can you tell it's an album closer? :D)

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

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I'm not asking it to be. I'm asking for the bare minimum of effort and dedication for the hobby where it appears you actually give the tiniest fuck about it.

@Inkarnate

Perfectly reasonable. As am I, but I keep getting apple cores chucked at my head for doing it. <.<

Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

A-are we allowed to mention the simplicity of spellchecking without the unleashing the hounds now?

@Peridot I wouldn't worry about that, this is the bitching thread after all. I don't think pointing out personal grievances with people's writing is even remotely unfair. This is a writing community, the only way to actually improve, is knowing where you struggle. If this thread ever had a positive point, it's things like this. Writing things that someone could read, seeing problems that reflect theirs and instead of shooting the messenger, realize they have those problems and try harder.

For the particular thing you're discussing, it sounds like when people are balancing simple vs purple prose. You're noticing people writing rather straight laced reactions to situations, instead of having any attempt to be flowery in the description to make it more engaging to read. I'm sure everyone has done that for simplicity's sake. But you're right, it's often better writing to express it through other means besides just saying someone was angry or sad. Though like someone already said, you need balance or you'll go too far in the other direction. Which I can attest, is more unpleasant to read, least in my case. In most cases, it's best to keep it brief, yet still more complex. Using analogies or metaphors for instance...

@Inkarnate I've seen it everywhere personally. But I've already been down that road...

Most roleplay writing isn't exactly equivalent to a novel, though it doesn't need to be and it's not really any fault of their own. Collaborative work just isn't as cohesive as someone writing for themselves. Even in other mediums, movies and music written by a dozen people (like directors/lyrics writers) usually don't feel as unique or well produced. And often, novels have editors and multiple drafts and even more often, roleplayers indignantly refuse to edit their work even once. Hence the lack of polish.

>My turn to bitch.

And before the hounds, totally don't selectively find their bone to pick (like the obnoxious bastards that they are...) My current problem is one that's entirely my own. Having way too many conflating/conflicting ideas when wanting to write a first chapter, which leads me to writing nothing or nothing worthwhile and getting nowhere. I hate when I feel like I'm being lazy, but at least in this instance, I guess I have more substantive reasons...

I've never really tried to start writing what interests me first, then writing the connective tissue, because I almost feel like that's cheating as a writer. Since all "good" media tends to build for a reason. Writing "the good stuff" then attempting to write around it, just seems unnatural to me...

Does anyone else here actually write in any pattern that isn't from beginning to end? (And do you find it successful?)

(And to make it about specifically roleplaying. Not writing in general.) There's one particular post I created with that idea in mind. To write what I wanted first and deal with the lesser ones later. And to be my own critic, because that's important too, I'd say the biggest problem with that post, is how uneven in quality the post actually was. One particular part just kind of sucked, it was so obviously hacked to the bone, because I wasn't feeling the section and the overall cohesion of the post probably fails, as best as I tried to connect the multiple (only partially connective) stories...

And now I'm considering to do it for something I plan to be a much, much longer piece of work...what could possibly go wrong?

Music Appreciation Thread

@Odin (Though admitted hyperbole.) I can vaguely understand that feeling with indie folk, because a lot of it has very similar elements in them. Gang vocals are often present in songs of the like. (Though that could be said about many genres I suppose.)

However just indie music period? Indie rock, pop, folk and the rest? There's honestly plenty of differences between many of the bands. Even in just indie folk, you could easily find plenty of variety within it's genre. (The Mountain Goats don't sound like The Decemberists which don't sound like Bright Eyes which doesn't sound like Emma Ruth Rundle-well you get my point...)

Though posting a trap rap song, is a little humorous because I'd probably say a similar thing...at least the genre itself and less so the beats, since everyone, even more talented artists are following that particular trend. It's a lot easier to make that case as well, since in mainstream people literally just steal people's flow's or parts of wholes of others beats. The repeat one word or phrase over and over again as a chorus is a thing, song writers really should try harder than that. It just sounds very typical to the genre and the lyrics I did understand like "swag" make me cringe. (Sorry. ^-^') 2/10

I'm not completely opposed to trap music. (well at least not completely...though Astronautalis and Kristoff Krane who are good artists made pretty abysmal trap records...) Sadistik's trap album was enjoyable enough...

What Are You Listening To?

The level of utter stupidity doesn't make it not fun.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@POOHEAD189 Oh, well thank you. :3 (Though I was referring to the exact reaction giving by the gif. I'm curious to where that gif is from and what made that reaction happen.)

I'm still not convinced that this isn't just a very long running joke that doesn't have a punch line. My ex-roommate almost had me conditioned to humor arguing over nothing, literally just starting illogical debates just to do so, because I'm just so used to doing it...but unlike my ex-roommate I have limits how much free time I'm willing to waste. <.<' (though that's partly because I have very little patience in general.)