Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

[Penny]

It is a little frustrating that you can't adopt children from places like Syria or Iraq :(

[SleepingSilence]

@Penny Adoption is not legal in Syria and not acknowledged in Syrian traditions. So that may be one reason for that. :/

[Andreyich]

Here's the thing. You said ephebophilia is pedophilia.
Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.
As someone who is a diddler who studies children, I am telling you, specifically, in diddling, no one calls ephebophilia pedophilia. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.
If you're saying "pedophile family" you're referring to the paraphilia grouping of chronophilia, which includes things from nepiophibilia to hebepohilia to gerontophilia.
So your reasoning for calling ephebophilia pedophilia is because random people "call the ephebopophilia ones pedophiles?" Let's get teleiophiles and mesophiles in there, then, too.
Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. An ephebophile is an ephebophile and a member of the chronophilia classification. But that's not what you said. You said ephebophilia is pedophilia, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the chronophilia class ephebophiles, which means you'd call nepiophiles, teliophiles, and other sexual attractions pedophilia, too. Which you said you don't.
It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?

[Penny]

@SleepingSilence Hence the frustration.

[mdk]

so Trump may be an actual time traveler

[Dolerman]

Here's the thing. You said ephebophilia is pedophilia.
Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.
As someone who is a diddler who studies children, I am telling you, specifically, in diddling, no one calls ephebophilia pedophilia. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.
If you're saying "pedophile family" you're referring to the paraphilia grouping of chronophilia, which includes things from nepiophibilia to hebepohilia to gerontophilia.
So your reasoning for calling ephebophilia pedophilia is because random people "call the ephebopophilia ones pedophiles?" Let's get teleiophiles and mesophiles in there, then, too.
Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. An ephebophile is an ephebophile and a member of the chronophilia classification. But that's not what you said. You said ephebophilia is pedophilia, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the chronophilia class ephebophiles, which means you'd call nepiophiles, teliophiles, and other sexual attractions pedophilia, too. Which you said you don't.
It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?

@Andreyich

[Vilageidiotx]

I come to check on this thread after being gone for a few days, and...

You said ephebophilia is pedophilia, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the chronophilia class ephebophiles, which means you'd call nepiophiles, teliophiles, and other sexual attractions pedophilia

@Andreyich

[SleepingSilence]

Here's the thing. You said ephebophilia is pedophilia.
Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.
As someone who is a diddler who studies children, I am telling you, specifically, in diddling, no one calls ephebophilia pedophilia. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.
If you're saying "pedophile family" you're referring to the paraphilia grouping of chronophilia, which includes things from nepiophibilia to hebepohilia to gerontophilia.
So your reasoning for calling ephebophilia pedophilia is because random people "call the ephebopophilia ones pedophiles?" Let's get teleiophiles and mesophiles in there, then, too.
Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. An ephebophile is an ephebophile and a member of the chronophilia classification. But that's not what you said. You said ephebophilia is pedophilia, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the chronophilia class ephebophiles, which means you'd call nepiophiles, teliophiles, and other sexual attractions pedophilia, too. Which you said you don't.
It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?

@Andreyich

Okay this mostly comes from just confusion, but you know way too many of those words...How many conversations about pedophilia have you gotten into? -.- Also according to google/wiki hebepohilia and ephebophilia have the EXACT same age range of attraction, so why different words? And why in gods name does "teliophilie" exist when "normal" fits just fine? It literally is attracted to 'adults'. Sounds like it's meant to demonize normal relationships or to equivocate adult relationships to sound similar to pedophiles...<.< (I'm kind of concerned that you'll have answers to these questions. >.>)

Also, this isn't on you. (so not talking about you.) But I'm a little sick that the current culture has people openly defending this action...)

Videos with facts, best to ignore them.

[mickilennial]

Considering they are scientific terms, I highly doubt they exist simply to demonize things. Science is centered around objectivity -- facts, studies, figures; not emotions.

but then again agendas have ruled science before too as cases of pseudo-science as early as the 19th Century are well-documented

[SleepingSilence]

Considering they are scientific terms, I highly doubt they exist simply to demonize things. Science is centered around objectivity -- facts, studies, figures; not emotions.

@Inkarnate

Probably. Still the questions of "why does this word exist" remain in my mind.

psychobabbleonewordatatime.wordpress.…

Oh found something that actually this answers my question...

"Most everybody reading this wants to be considered a teleiophile or an adult with a sexual preference for adults. That said, a majority of male teliophiles demonstrate clear and consistent arousal at the sight of 16 year old girls. However, teleophiles do not approach 16 yo girls to engage in sexual activity. This common male attraction to pubescent girls reportedly never moves beyond sexual fantasies and pornography found on the Internet. To date, nobody has decided to declare that sexual attraction without acting out the attraction with a pubescent girl is abnormal. It is considered “statistically normal”. So for now if you like 16 year old girls you are not considered disturbed. Go figure….

Ephebophilia is the term used to identify an adult inclination to be attracted to and pursue teens between the ages of 14 and 18. Ephebophiles are relatively common amongst sexual predators.

Hebephilia refers to a primary or exclusive attraction to and willingness to pursue children in the early years of puberty. It is important to note that the onset of puberty for girls typically occurs between ages 10 to 14 while boys hit puberty between 11 -14 years. So hebephilia differs from ephebophilia because the latter prefer older adolescents and hebephiles prefer young adolescents."

Yeah...a rose by any other name is still considered moral repugnance and a crime. :I

[mickilennial]

Yeah...a rose by any other name is still considered moral repugnance and a crime. :I

@SleepingSilence

Good thing morals are subjective or elsewise defined by the state, I imagine.

[SleepingSilence]

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Good thing morals are subjective or elsewise defined by the state, I imagine.

@Inkarnate

Are morals subjective about stuff like that? I think it's usually pretty universal in america at the very least. :/

And is it a good thing though? :I (If a state says 10 year old's are okay to fuck, I'm getting the hell away from that state.)

Most 20 year old's now barely act like adults as it is. People under 21 can't even have a beer. So are we really going to let the 17 year old decide to marry a dude in his 30's and get pregnant to decide the fate of the rest of their life?

Like most people aren't talking about the 19 and 17 year old dating each other when defending stuff like this...

[mickilennial]

You’re aware that the majority of states [thirty-one, if I'm not mistaken] in the United States set their age of consent at sixteen, right?

[SleepingSilence]

@Inkarnate Yeah...and that's lead to so many good things I'm sure. (it hasn't.) <.< Also many states have close-in-age exemptions. But again, I feel like just because something is allowed, you can't find it morally questionable. <.< Or just stupid overall if nothing else...like the drinking example, I feel like the priorities of society is a little screwy.

[mickilennial]

The drinking laws occurred mostly because there were exponentially increasing trends of car accidents and loss of life due to sizeable drinking irresponsibilities. It makes sense laws were prioritized.

Also, a sixteen year old can be potentially mature enough emotionally and mentally to handle a relationship with an older partner. Thus why I do not consider it immoral for those pursuing relationships with them. But I do not demonize other people's attraction, interests, and so forth based on such a innocuous thing. But yes, feel free to question it if it is not in line with your morals or ethics -- like I said, morality is subjective.

[Andreyich]

THEY ATE THE PASTA

HOLY SHIT

I'M DYING

AHHHHHHHHHH

[Andreyich]

FOUR PEOPLE ATE THE PASTA

HAHAHAHA

[SleepingSilence]

The drinking laws occurred mostly because there were exponentially increasing trends of car accidents and loss of life due to sizeable drinking irresponsibilities. It makes sense laws were prioritized.

Also, a sixteen year old can be potentially mature enough emotionally and mentally to handle a relationship with an older partner. Thus why I do not consider it immoral for those pursuing relationships with them. But I do not demonize other people's attraction, interests, and so forth based on such a innocuous thing. But yes, feel free to question it if it is not in line with your morals or ethics -- like I said, morality is subjective.

@Inkarnate

nypost.com/2014/11/11/the-bigger-the-…

dosomething.org/us/facts/11-facts-abo…

Less than 2% of teen moms earn a college degree by age 30.

8 out of 10 teen dads don’t marry the mother of their child.

More than half of all mothers on welfare had their first child as a teenager. In fact, two-thirds of families begun by a young, unmarried mother are poor.

heritage.org/education/report/sexuall…

A full quarter (25.3 percent) of teenage girls who are sexually active report that they are depressed all, most, or a lot of the time. By contrast, only 7.7 percent of teenage girls who are not sexually active report that they are depressed all, most, or a lot of the time. Thus, sexually active girls are more than three times more likely to be depressed than are girls who are not sexually active.
Some 8.3 percent of teenage boys who are sexually active report that they are depressed all, most, or a lot of the time. By contrast, only 3.4 percent of teenage boys who are not sexually active are depressed all, most, or a lot of the time. Thus, boys who are sexually active are more than twice as likely to be depressed as are those who are not sexually active.

I know age doesn't equal maturity necessarily, but facts and statistics show the opposite of your point. It's clear teens are NOT capable of handling that kind of thing. I'm sorry but I think it's okay to not tolerant about people's behavior, like attraction to toddlers. I won't demonize the person themselves, but I'd want that person to seek help and I won't normalize that behavior. I guess different strokes for different folks...:/

Not that I want 18 year old's to be alcoholics either, but if they can smoke and be drafted in the military, it's beyond dumb that they can't have a drink too.

[mickilennial]

Neato.

[Andreyich]

Looking at the debate now happening in this thread, I can't help but reflect "What have I done?"