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Wew, that is a lot of land. But I guess nobody was doing anything there.

Also, update the map, stop having it be outdated.


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NO, @Cyclone THE VENOMWEALD IS MINE YA HEAR?! NO DUMB OGRE IS TAKING THAT FROM ME!

*screeching begins*
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NO, @Cyclone THE VENOMWEALD IS MINE YA HEAR?! NO DUMB OGRE IS TAKING THAT FROM ME!

*screeching begins*




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@Double Capybara

I'm sure I'll remember to update that sometime within a month or two.

NO, @Cyclone THE VENOMWEALD IS MINE YA HEAR?! NO DUMB OGRE IS TAKING THAT FROM ME!

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I'm about 90% sure that Ommok's kingdom predates Keriss.

He be like

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I'm sure I'll remember to update that sometime within a month or two.

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I'm about 90% sure that Ommok's kingdom predates Keriss.

He be like


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NO, @Cyclone THE VENOMWEALD IS MINE YA HEAR?! NO DUMB OGRE IS TAKING THAT FROM ME!

*screeching begins*


Sindustries holds all rights to that land, you'll all be paying rent soon enough.
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@Double Capybara

I'm sure I'll remember to update that sometime within a month or two.

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I'm about 90% sure that Ommok's kingdom predates Keriss.

He be like


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Sindustries holds all rights to that land, you'll all be paying rent soon enough.



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I wonder if we could have a political map of Galbar. All these geographical maps are nice, but I wonder how large each of the four(?) kingdoms' territories exactly are. How far each kingdom's influence reaches per se.
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@Vec Most should be quite small, except Ommok's, which is more than a hundred times larger than all others if I understood the geographical area correctly.
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There's something of a discrepancy between the various maps concerning the size of that grassland area that Ommok conquered. In some it appears pretty small but in others it's much larger. Since it's been more or less empty and unused up until now, there's nothing stopping us from deciding that it's a rather small area, but should we choose to say that the recent maps portray its size accurately then I'll just write off Ommok's rapid conquest as possible due to the region being sparsely populated. It's easy to "own" a gigantic grassland when there's only a bunch of Hain tribes scattered around to contest your rule. Conquer their villages and you control the whole place.

Here is the recent map, with the extent of the firmly ogre controlled territory marked by the red slashes. Note that they control the hilly southeastern borders of the Venomweald (the map incorrectly calls those borders swampland) and not the inner Venomweald. Though ogres might venture into the Venomweald on occasion, it's still far too savage for even them to establish permanent settlements there.

The orange slashes represent the Hain lands that Ommok has conquered conquered, whereas the orange arrows are possible routes for expansion (read: ogre invasion).



Thus far Ommok has encountered virtually no resistance and is Galbar's equivalent of Alexander the Great. We'll see if that continues once he inevitably encounters the neighboring civilizations.
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There's something of a discrepancy between the various maps concerning the size of that grassland area that Ommok conquered. In some it appears pretty small but in others it's much larger. Since it's been more or less empty and unused up until now, there's nothing stopping up from deciding that it's a rather small area, but should we choose to say that the recent maps portray its size accurately then I'll just write off Ommok's rapid conquest as being due to the region being sparsely populated. It's easy to "own" a gigantic grassland when there's only a bunch of Hain tribes scattered around to contest your rule. Conquer their villages and you own the whole place.

Here is the recent map, with the extent of the firmly ogre controlled territory marked by the red slashes. Note that they control the hilly southeastern borders of the Venomweald (the map incorrectly calls those borders swampland) and not the inner Venomweald. Though ogres might venture into the Venomweald on occasion, it's still far too savage for even them to establish permanent settlements there.

The orange slashes represent the Hain lands that Ommok has conquered conquered, whereas the orange arrows are possible routes for expansion (read: ogre invasion).



Thus far Ommok has encountered virtually no resistance and is Galbar's equivalent of Alexander the Great. We'll see if that continues once he inevitably encounters the neighboring civilizations.


Or Keriss. Keriss is the Ommok's successor and she shall control all da lands! She da bigust one dat Ommok 'ill fight!
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Keriss takes on the form of a 6 foot tall humanoid-draconic being with large leather wings.
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She da bigust one dat Ommok 'ill fight!


Uh...she not that big!
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Uh...she not that big!


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I wonder if we could have a political map of Galbar. All these geographical maps are nice, but I wonder how large each of the four(?) kingdoms' territories exactly are. How far each kingdom's influence reaches per se.


We'll get their when Sindustries gets rolling in the region.
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@Cyclone Well, in all honesty, I think it is time for Ilunabar to take a look at this new civ. As she will be active near the swamps )(thanks to Loki's collab) and in the mountains. Results might be tasty.
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B-b-but there are no canonized swamps up there! See my lengthy response above; I don't know why that appeared on the recent map.

I don't know where the idea of a swamp surrounding the Venomweald came from. IC it's always been that Zephyrion made a bunch of hills, crags, and canyons between the Ironhearts and Firewind, and Slough's presence eventually covered most of that rugged land with the Venomweald. But the jungle didn't cover the entire region so at the borders it's still just a bunch of wild hills and crags.

...I really am starting to suspect that we posted one too many Shrek memes about a swamp, which led to people taking the jokes seriously and thinking that Ommok actually lives in a swamp.

Edit: but yes, by all means I'd say that the gods like Ilunabar and Teknall might take notice of the ogres now that their civilization has spread beyond a few camps in the jungle and the hills. Especially with Zephyrion out of the picture and not trying to kill anybody that so much as allowed their blood to drip on his precious playground.
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i can make a political map, just need everyone with a nation to give me border info.
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@Cyclone, one detail I noticed that you forgot in Ommok's conquest is the urtelem. Urtelem are Galbar's natural buffer against marauding hordes and monstrous beasts. Many hain villages have urtelem herds residing nearby ('taming' urtelem was one of the earliest things Stone Chipper taught the hain). They'd provide some resistance. Although, a herd of urtelem would still be no match for a well-armed ogre warband, so the outcome wouldn't be materially affected.

I may need to change that soon.

Also, White Giants would also fight ogre warbands, but since the White Giants are solitary they would provide less resistance than a whole herd of urtelem.
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@Cyclone, one detail I noticed that you forgot in Ommok's conquest is the urtelem. Urtelem are Galbar's natural buffer against marauding hordes and monstrous beasts. Many hain villages have urtelem herds residing nearby ('taming' urtelem was one of the earliest things Stone Chipper taught the hain). They'd provide some resistance. Although, a herd of urtelem would still be no match for a well-armed ogre warband, so the outcome wouldn't be materially affected.

I may need to change that soon.

Also, White Giants would also fight ogre warbands, but since the White Giants are solitary they would provide less resistance than a whole herd of urtelem.


Remember that Zephyrion actually created the ogres by mutating urtelem. Ommok himself is the original ogre and was once an urtelem. He even has some vague memory of it, though I've yet to explore that IC. I was even thinking about having the ogres tame urtelem and have a somewhat special relationship with them since they're so closely related, but again, I haven't quite gotten there yet.

So, I have two questions: firstly, would the urtelem necessarily be hostile to ogres their somewhat unique origins? I would think that to the urtelem, ogres would be far more recognizable than hain or any other creatures. Secondly, do white giants attack urtelem? If white giants ignore urtelem then I think that the ogres are good, whereas if they attack urtelem then I would presume that the ogres would only have to deal with one or the other in any given area.

Perhaps I'll explain this oversight as the grasslands not having many urtelem around. Maybe the next post could have the ogres venture further east (to where the grasslands meet the Ironhearts) and then encounter tamed packs of urtelem.
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Remember that Zephyrion actually created the ogres by mutating urtelem. Ommok himself is the original ogre and was once an urtelem. He even has some vague memory of it, though I've yet to explore that IC. I was even thinking about having the ogres tame urtelem and have a somewhat special relationship with them since they're so closely related, but again, I haven't quite gotten there yet.

So, I have two questions: firstly, would the urtelem necessarily still recognize ogres as enemies given their somewhat unique origins? Secondly, do white giants attack urtelem? If white giants ignore urtelem then I think that the ogres are good, whereas if they attack urtelem then I would presume that the ogres would only have to deal with one or the other in any given area.

Perhaps I'll chalk up this oversight as the grasslands not having many urtelem around. Maybe the next post could have the ogres venture further east to where the grasslands meet the Ironhearts and then encounter tamed packs of urtelem.


Urtelem are minor empaths that target destructive intent. As seen on Angelblood Ridge, they won't spare their own people when they've been corrupted by violence, even if it causes them emotional pain. Also, since they're intelligent with a widespread culture now, it's less a question of taming than it is alliance.

That said, I can come up with a fairly good reason why the Urtelem are absent from that particular area right now- In addition to having adapted to a more nomadic way of life, they've also come together in their thousands to enforce the containment zones around Acalya outbreaks. That grove at the west edge of the Shimmering Sea probably drained most of their herds away from the area Ommok has annexed.

Ed: Their absence is probably magnified by the fact that Zeph historically kept them out of the Firewind. With no local herds to help the attempt, the growth would've gone unchecked for longer and urts would've come in from far and wide.
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