Cyclone

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We need @Mihndar to weigh in regarding the PRK.

As in for Moravia, @Sigma I'd say that they've been importing resources from (and potentially supplying) the Dominion for a while now.

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Ahh, alrighty then.
Who would you support though?

@ClocktowerEchos

The Dominion. As in for who would support you, I'd consider the PRK again more carefully. Sure some people will say better dead than red, but if it comes down to being crushed by the Dominion and the tanks and guns that the Commonwealth gave them, versus taking the risk of getting a bit too close to the PRK for comfort, the choice seems clear. The PRK has motive to help you anyways, since they'd see it as both a chance to weaken Moravia and possibly spread the revolution.

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I'd find the idea interesting, but its most likely not the PRK who'd help Fuso since Fuso won't want their help. They have a socialism-esque economy with the government planning quotas and such but its otherwise a free market. They'd also suspect the PRK as trying to sew seeds for a Communist revolution.

As for you're questions, Fuso is the stronger one at least in terms of land and its resources, I just answred the other question and the Dominion is closer but not by much.

Although, how would a proxy war like this work? The two sides nudge the empire and the dominion enough to the point its total war all over again?

@ClocktowerEchos

The classical definition of a proxy war was Vietnam. Both China and the United States threw tons of support towards one side and really fought one another using the original conflict as just a pretext.

In this case it'd be more than just Moravia trying to undermine an enemy or make them look weak, since they have a vested interest in getting resources from the region. They would thus want to protect their trade partner and unify the region under a friendly government to get access to even more stuff.

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@Cyclone

The split has been around since the crowning of the Golden Emperor which was some 200 years ago. Fighting is on and off but its basically a constant state of war with varying shades of escalation. The entire IC reason the Dominion exists is because its original leader didn't accept the new emperor of Fuso as a rightful heir or something like that and allied/annex his nieghbors to try and make his own.

@SigmaDoes that seem right to you?

@ClocktowerEchos

Barring other factors then, it would come down to three factors, in order of importance:

1.Which nation is more powerful/offers us more value?
2.Which nation most shares our views towards Communism and the PRK and democracy?
3.Which nation is closer?

I'd imagine number 2 to be roughly the same since your governments (and presumably cultures) are similar.

Actually, I think it might be interesting if we just said that Moravia has supported the Dominion for a while now and one of their enemies (most likely the PRK) is now supporting Fuso, which would lead to a big proxy war. Anybody else like this idea?

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@Cyclone Well I can certainly provide the Oil( I do recall saying that) :) And help in the fight against the PRK.

@Sigma

Nothing wrong with importing oil and/or fossil fuels from several countries, especially when it is in massive demand.

@Cyclone

Wait, would you be supplying arms to both sides? I can't imagine that would bode well for either of the leaders :P

EDIT: How would you choose on which side to support in this little war between the Empire and the Dominion? We basically have the same resources up for grabs since we aren't all that far apart.

@ClocktowerEchos

Wait, you two are at war? I was confused and thought that the Dominions was a semi-autonomous region of Fuso...or something...I'm not really sure what I thought

Well in this case, I don't know very much about which side the Commonwealth of Moravia would favor. You mentioned that you would copy designs for Moravian weaponry and such, not that you would trade oil/be an ally/offer much in return. You could probably create your own modified versions of slightly outdated Moravian stuff without their cooperation.

How long has this fighting between your nations been going on? If the split happened recently IC, we could RP it out and have both sides negotiate with the Moravia and let the one that offers better terms get Moravia's support.

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I was actually thinking that most of their weaponry would be from Cyclone's nation, perhaps even some vehicles. I'd assume me and Not!Russia would be in a sort of state of war, or prop up a revolutionary movement, a tiny nation like me is good for the taking :P

As for power, I'd imagine Fuso being the stronger between the two.

@Sigma

Keep in mind that as a fascist state, the Commonwealth is largely free-market but the government does get involved and do some things to protect their interests. Namely, they seek to achieve economic independence and as such don't really like importing goods from others countries. Exporting is seen as good since it brings in money, but you'd still have a hard time buying weaponry unless you're an ally of some sort that would further the Commonwealth's goals if you were given weapons (fighting the PRK would be a good reason to get weapons and vehicles) or a strategic friend that provides something valuable like oil.

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@Cyclone

You got an NS up? If not, what do you have/want and what kind of weapons do you have?

@ClocktowerEchos

NS will be up this weekend. The Commonwealth is heavily industrialized and have something of a martial culture from repeated war and expansion over the past five or six decades, so they have one of the bigger, better, and generally more experienced armies in the world. Aside from sheer number, their land forces are also scary because of how mechanized they are. Light tanks, humvees, and mixed-force regiments do Blitzkrieg but there are also some really heavy steampunkish tanks for when raw power is needed. Artillery and chemical weapons are also used liberally.

I envision them being in something of an arms race with nearby nations to develop aircraft, and with a strong economy and manufacturing base I'd say they would have a good airforce (albeit not near as great as their army). Despite all of this they remain more of a regional threat than a global one, because that strip of coastline that they have is one of their newest territorial acquisitions and they've only have it for something like two decades or less. They haven't had time to develop a strong naval presence and lack colonies which means that they are somewhat limited to their own continent. Of course, they really want to become more of a global power and have been trying to build a formidable navy, so this might change as the RP goes on.

So, to summarize: almost undoubtedly the biggest users of land vehicles and tanks, probably the best land forces, pretty solid airforce, but small and subpar navy.

@Cyclone Out of interest could you colour in what the old empire contained on a blank map ? Since it seems to be a huge defining feature of your national identity and I am personally interested.

@Gig

I'm a bit hesitant to do so because I'd essentially be forcing my nation's history on nearby nations, but I'll go ahead anyways seeing as my nation was there first. If anybody objects then they can talk to me about it or just move their nations a bit.



Sloppily drawn purple is the fullest extent of the Old Moravian Empire (though this is still subject to change :P). So the only nations that really stand at threat would be the PRK and ZB's country. Of course, since this was all something like 2,000 years ago those borders would be pretty rough and debatable, and this misinformation could be manipulated by both sides.

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The talk on the interest check got me wondering, @Skepic@Willy Vereb how would relations be between our nations? Mine wouldn't take issue with either Avalia or Yllendthyr because they aim for expansion in the south-southwest. Not to mention that the looming threat of their northern neighbor means they'd like to have a friend or two.

@ClocktowerEchos So how 'bout that alliance/trade agreement/weapon supplying between out nations?

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@Cyclone I can have him just arrive in the area and help out the group with the attack.

@Eviledd1984

Sounds good.

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@Voltus_Ventus
I was more worried about Cyclone's nation at first, but I think I'll keep an eye on you as well.

On another note, I'll take that as approval for my claim and start working on my character/nation sheet now.

@ZB1996

Oh yes, be worried

This is what little history I have written so far:

Commonwealth's History

To summarize the history of The Third Empire and Grand Commonwealth of Moravia (that's its full name, though it's usually just called The Commonwealth) it claims descent from an ancient empire analogous to the Romans. That empire was based around that bay in the west and conquered, civilized, culuturally unified, and brought technology to huge swathes of land. Eventually the sudden rise of a new religion, threat of marauding barbarians, and a series of natural disasters crumbled this empire.

So for centuries there was death, war, and misery. Finally, there was some semblance of unity once one kingdom triumphed over most of its neighbors through cunning warfare and shrewd diplomacy. The king proclaiming divine rule and thus formed the Holy Moravian Empire. It was a quasi-theocracy with the leader being the Divine Emperor and holding a religious status similar to the Pope.

Then this empire gradually grew decentralized and splintered apart after a series of holy wars due to rise of several new religious movements. The province of Qualia in the heartlands of the former Holy Moravian Empire proclaimed itself a kingdom. It suffered at first, but then underwent an industrial revolution (one of, if not the first in the world) and began to hold its own. Soon, their industry needed more resources and so they began to gradually expand. They got really big and annexed several neighbor states before suffering a series of humiliating defeats that resulting in the monarchy being overthrown by the now-existing Fascist State. The new Fascist government openly aspires to reform the original empire, which would mean conquering ridiculously large amounts of land in the surrounding region. Naturally, they were far more warmongering than the monarchy previously in power and have rapidly expanded over the past four decades or so.

The Old Moravian Empire was based around that gulf area that my claim has a sliver of shoreline on, so they would have almost certainly had borders that overlap with your northern territories. The Commonwealth would very much like to seize your lands and ASSIMILATE YOU reclaim their righteous holdings!