KoL

Fate/ Transcendent Paradigm (A Fate/GO Based RP)

So, I think @ADamnFiddle and I are just kinda stuck since with Shinobu and Nezha since we have no idea what's happening with Felix and Diarmuid. I assume we should just hunker down and wait until Diarmuid is RULE BREAKER'd?

@ShadowKingman

Ya know, this kinda makes for a ridiculous scene.

Diarmuid: *Is all gallant with Nezha.*

Medea: "Stop being so sexy you damn jerk!" *Stabs Diarmuid's face and goes away nonchalantly.

Fate/ Transcendent Paradigm (A Fate/GO Based RP)

@KoL: Yes, because the people that Zelretch got for the ordeal placed a lot of emphasis on technology.
Also because finding mistakes is easier in a clean environment.

(I'm basing a lot of this stuff off the Chaldea facility in GO.)

Edit: Obviously there's a filter on what can and can't be sent in and out, though.

@PKMNB0Y

Oh, that's ok. Seyrun just wants to google Tama's name, nothing more. Why go through the hurdle of hours of search when a simple smartphone can get you all the lore you need?

@KoL Wanna team up with Cu and Athena? I think I could use another doggy. Or Lancer.

@AtomicNut

We can discuss this, but I believe Diarmuid is getting Rule Breaker'ed to the face now, so he would go to Medea.

Either way, we can see what will happen.

Fate/ Transcendent Paradigm (A Fate/GO Based RP)

@VitaVitaAR@PKMNB0Y

So, an important doubt came out while I was writing my post. Does the facility where our characters are have access to internet and, more importantly, wi-fi? Because it's kind of high tech looking, so I though it was possible, but since it's magical and mages usually abominate modern stuff, I needed to check first.

Fate/ Transcendent Paradigm (A Fate/GO Based RP)

So I think I mentioned that my take on Jack is a bit different from what was previously established, so I hope this doesn't come off as too jarring. ^^;

@Rin

Actually, I liked her much more like she's now. She sounds legitimately mentally damaged in a creepy cute way, I'd say so.

Fate/ Transcendent Paradigm (A Fate/GO Based RP)

@KoL: They do actually explain Frankie as a real person, and I apply that logic to all the other "from a story" Servants. They're just real in the Nasuverse.

@VitaVitaAR

Ahh! I see. Well, it's not like I'm questioning this logic. For a point, I really, really would like to see Dom Quixote as a Rider, even if he's clearly a fictional character. I mean, if Tesla can be an Archer *shakes fist at Typemoon* I guess all is game.

Fate/ Transcendent Paradigm (A Fate/GO Based RP)

So, should I be planning to stab Diarmuid or not?

@Raineh Daze

Go forward with it. I'll be posting in an hour or two anyway. I should be off of this discussion now.

@Beloss

Bottom line of my arguments. Don't try to turn Fate into a literature class, for the love of God. We have Gilgamesh wearing a Gold Platemail and swinging around a drill that can pierce the heavens! (to name one of the countless absurdities) Making sense of this kind of stuff is pointless in the extreme.

@KoL<Snipped quote>

So you see that the similaritys are there? Do you not think they would notice these similarity if they met? I presented this earlier, but for example: if Merlin met Myrddin Wyllt I would assume you would concede that they would notice how similar they were?

@Beloss

Nope, Merlin is alive, he can't have a double no matter how hard you try to make it be.

Fate/ Transcendent Paradigm (A Fate/GO Based RP)

That's something a lot to people seem to get wrong, honestly, going by prior experience.

That heroic spirits are all actually real people in the Nasuverse. For some reason people seem to think they can also be fictional characters(citing Fake Assassin a lot of the time even though he was also a real person in-universe, just not a famous one) sometimes.

@VitaVitaAR

Kinda like that. But on the other hand FGO (Apocrypha as well, with Frankenstein's Monster) is making a disservice by bringing characters that are clearly fictional as HSs.

@KoL<Snipped quote>

You seem to be inventing this rule. People in general recognize patterns very quickly. I dont see why a Heroic Spirit would not be able to sense such similarity, especially when, as you said certain legends imply it.

If its noted as something that exists for certain legends then a similar trend should be observed in all others when the correct conditions appear. Why would it randomly happen in one case but then not another?

I dont see what being a real vs fictional character has to do with relations between legends. People note such connections in real life all the time, especially between historic figures who grew up under certain circumstances, or were driven by similar causes.

@VitaVitaAR All heroic Spirits so far are implied to have been real people within the Fate world aside from a few notable exceptions. Again I dont see what this has to do with anything I have proposed.

@Beloss

I meant in as with the Count of Saint Germain, who was said to be Nicholas Flamel (or his wife), among various other people. This open a precedent on Typemoon lore for him to be another individual, not just similarities in legends.

The War of the Three

Either way, the talk is all and good, but I'm still waiting on @Lucius Cypher to post before I can do so again. Just letting y'all know.

The War of the Three

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Yeah, it would get pretty crazy with the type of weapons we have today. That type of testing was banned in 1962 so we have no idea how much it would take out with a modern nuke.

@floodtalon

To say thee truth, far less than back then. Tactical nukes are "precision" weapons after all. The Nukes from back then were made to evaporate whole stretches of the countryside because aiming technology wasn't that good back them so you had to ensure that it would blast your foe even if you did a gross mistake in your targeting calculations.

Today it just needs the power to take down what it needs to take down, since GPS guided attacks can hit things with less than a meter error margin.

Fate/ Transcendent Paradigm (A Fate/GO Based RP)

I'll write a reply in a few by the way, but please take heed of one thing, Arthuria is nothing like the other Heroic Spirits. She gets a lot of privileges from being Typemoon's Golden Egg Goose.

Refer to this:

^{Edit: Oops! Wrong video, now's the right one.}

Literally every Heroic Spirit regardless of time of existence knows Excalibur, thereby they all know Arthuria. You can't really compare her with any of the others.

Fate/Zero made a point of hammering how much of a special cookie Arthuria is and it's within the highest order of canon on the franchise.

As for your explanations, HSs itself can be related to some degree (as certain legends imply this) but if the legends itself don't mention it, it shouldn't work in world. You remember, that those stories are supposed to be real not invented here, despite what literature professor moogles might think IC, it1s just supposed to be a coincidence, except when it comes to weapons, which invariably all come from Gil's treasury.